Osiris Fraternal Order

To the region of Osiris, its Pharaoh, its government, and its citizens,

Recently it was revealed by a player that the New Pacific Order had been aware of a number of things that presented a threat to your region in many regards. Firstly, that one of our exiled members, Feux, had infiltrated Osiris as Adytus. In this guise, Feux almost reached the Delegacy of Osiris. He left before he could take the seat, and Altinsane became the new Pharaoh. Exactly what Feux would have done with that Delegacy is unknown to us, but this left the door open to potential future threats to Osiris, from us as well. A mean old man and Stujenske had also infiltrated Osiris with Feux. While we were unaware of Adytus being Feux or any of the others when this was going on, our Delegate and Regent became aware of this when attempting to take back Wolfist Lazarus. By this time Feux was already a citizen again. Adytus was left to CTE when Imki successfully kept the Delegacy and there was no need for a potential backup plan, which is what Adytus served as during the transition time after the coup when the winner of the Delegacy was as yet uncertain. Not telling Osiris about this was a major oversight.

A more recent transgression than Adytus was also known by several Senate members. 94 Block had returned, and his identity was kept concealed. While former Regent Pergamon may not have known about specific parts of 94 Block’s history, former Senator Feux most likely did, and his history of under-the-table aggression against Osiris gives this an especially grave meaning on his part. Pergamon's role is not being whitewashed. Both of them and the former Emperor have either resigned or been banned. The general populace of the NPO was unaware of this, and most of them were unaware Block even existed. As a result during this process he has been treated like a joke despite the RL threats he has presented to others in the past, and that should have been addressed properly sooner by our leadership.

Leadership has changed, and so will the direction of the region. These mistakes and grave oversights such as the above will never be repeated. A blacklisted player is blacklisted to us no matter what, and there will never be association with one of them by any member of the Senate again. No-one in the New Pacific Order will be authorized or permitted to carry on interactions that enable a blacklisted player to participate in the game, and no attempts to conceal a returning player no matter what their past relation to any member of the New Pacific Order might be will ever occur again.

The mistakes made are acknowledged as what they are. They are transgressions that have endangered Osiris and its members. Even with the removal and resignation of the members who enabled all of this, we are aware that forgiveness is something you can only earn, never be given on reflex. We will in the future under our new Senate work to ensure that none of this will ever become a problem again. We regard Osiris with respect, not as an enemy, as their efforts against us were fueled by insufficient addressing of this situation and our personal part in the endangerment of the community.

We can only at this point offer our sincere apologies for the threats that were presented to your community by gross negligence, deliberate covering, or oversight of serious real life implications implicit in an action. While we do not expect you to accept this right now, let it be known that this is a genuine apology and a promise that this will not be an example of the New Pacific Order in the future.

Signed on behalf of the New Pacific Order,

Lord of Darkness, Emperor
Xoriet, Legatus
Shnailand, Censor
Jar Wattinree, Tribune
Svezjacael, Quaestor
Community, Pontifex Maximus

Uh-huh. I notice your statement says nothing at all about permanent bans for Pergamon and the others involved, which was among our terms. The "apology" you delivered to Lazarus also said nothing about action against Senator Svezjacael, which was among Lazarus' and The North Pacific's terms. Your "apologies" aren't backed by any action whatsoever. They're just words.

We've seen and heard all of this before. After the NLO coup perpetrated by NPO members in Lazarus, Krulltopia stepped down. The Senators involved were removed (which isn't even fully happening here). Apologies were issued. We were told things like that would never happen again. And yet here we are, and worse things have happened. Why should anyone believe the NPO now, when you've said and done all of these things before? You are our enemy, because you've made yourselves our enemy.

Only the Pharaoh and Her Royal Majesty's Government can speak for Osiris, but here's where I personally stand: No rest. No reprieve. NPO delenda est.

Fascinating. We'll see how this plays out then, eh?

I seriously doubt NPO's sincerity in any statement, especially when the deafening silence in official response really wasn't all that silent, what with NPO's apologists running around all over the place justifying and/or denying actions.

Yeah, one does wonder as well how serious the NPO actually is about its apologies (they posted one in Lazarus too) when a Senator newly appointed by this Emperor is running around making comments like this:

Consular wrote:
What are you guys trying to accomplish?

Make us like the NPO even less?

You seem fine as is with no help from ebil me.

NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

This just barely misses the mark, Emperor Lord of Darkness. One of the demands before this war of ours was declared against you is that Pergamon is no longer Consul and is banned from the Pacific. Only half of that has been met. Apologizing while still failing to meet those demands is rather pointless, unless you plan on meeting the demands in the near future.

As part of a growing coalition against the New Pacific Order across NationStates, I feel as though Osiris is not at the point at which anything less than her full demands being met would satisfy her.

I will, though, thank you and those who co-signed. I thank you for the lovely, well-written statement and what I assume to be good intentions behind it.



PS: I will echo Cormac's sentiment regarding Senator Jar Wattinree. His public behavior contradicts your current efforts quite heavily.

Side note, I need sleep, but I will check this thread when I am around again later.

Cormac wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:09 pm Uh-huh. I notice your statement says nothing at all about permanent bans for Pergamon and the others involved, which was among our terms. The "apology" you delivered to Lazarus also said nothing about action against Senator Svezjacael, which was among Lazarus' and The North Pacific's terms. Your "apologies" aren't backed by any action whatsoever. They're just words.

We've seen and heard all of this before. After the NLO coup perpetrated by NPO members in Lazarus, Krulltopia stepped down. The Senators involved were removed (which isn't even fully happening here). Apologies were issued. We were told things like that would never happen again. And yet here we are, and worse things have happened. Why should anyone believe the NPO now, when you've said and done all of these things before? You are our enemy, because you've made yourselves our enemy.

Only the Pharaoh and Her Royal Majesty's Government can speak for Osiris, but here's where I personally stand: No rest. No reprieve. NPO delenda est.

Ridersyl wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:42 pm This just barely misses the mark, Emperor Lord of Darkness. One of the demands before this war of ours was declared against you is that Pergamon is no longer Consul and is banned from the Pacific. Only half of that has been met. Apologizing while still failing to meet those demands is rather pointless, unless you plan on meeting the demands in the near future.

As part of a growing coalition against the New Pacific Order across NationStates, I feel as though Osiris is not at the point at which anything less than her full demands being met would satisfy her.

I will, though, thank you and those who co-signed. I thank you for the lovely, well-written statement and what I assume to be good intentions behind it.

Would you instead have preferred that Svezjacael not sign it and avoid taking some responsibility for his actions? He has also expressed interest in coming forth to issue a more personal apology to Lazarus for his involvement with the "Lazarus Task Force". (OOC: How exactly this will work remains to be seen; he has been occupied over the past few months due to the passing of a close mentor and other personal issues.)

This statement also is just that: an apology. It is not a response to all demands that have been made, only a starting point delivered in respect to the two regions whom our past actions have wronged the most.


As for your concerns about NPO's lack of change, I am inclined to agree on the matter, we are in need of modernization and I, as well as our Senate, have begun compiling a list of projects - foreign and domestic, large and small, soon and future - for us to work on in effort to rectify the "recurring" diplomatic mess which seems to occur every few years in addition to many of the problems which have been lingering for years. I mentioned officially outlawing espionage in my response to a question in the Lazarus apology. Here are a couple more examples of some other problems I have noticed in my years of lurking: we've haven't done a good job when it comes to record keeping, especially with recording diplomatic interactions and we also can do far better when it comes to engaging our members and providing them more means of participation.

So I can assure you, things will change going forward.

JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:37 pm Fascinating. We'll see how this plays out then, eh?

I seriously doubt NPO's sincerity in any statement, especially when the deafening silence in official response really wasn't all that silent, what with NPO's apologists running around all over the place justifying and/or denying actions.

I suppose you'll be watching everything we do in the upcoming days/weeks/months with interest then.

Cormac wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:38 pm Yeah, one does wonder as well how serious the NPO actually is about its apologies (they posted one in Lazarus too) when a Senator newly appointed by this Emperor is running around making comments like this:

Consular wrote:
What are you guys trying to accomplish?

Make us like the NPO even less?

You seem fine as is with no help from ebil me.

NPO dewenda est ;;w;;

Ridersyl wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:42 pm PS: I will echo Cormac's sentiment regarding Senator Jar Wattinree. His public behavior contradicts your current efforts quite heavily.

Our members, including government, are entitled to have their own opinions on matters besides our official stance. Some are less interested in settling our differences than others. It is important that a government is not an echo chamber of people who will sing the same chorus, for such an institution is incapable of effectively weighing different viewpoints, ideas, and approaches to problems.

Out of courtesy and to alleviate your concerns he has been asked to tone back on the bantering.

I don't think your response is sufficient, to say the least, but I'll just leave it at that and bow out until after our government has formally responded.

Not in a position to give a full response at this time, but I can see that you're prioritizing the needs of Osiris very highly over the needs of other wronged parties, so I guess that is something. We may not see Perg banned from NPO for the wrongs he's committed that were at least equal to Feux's, but at least you haven't slammed Perg into your new Senate like you've slammed Svez. What a slap in the face for Lazarus and TNP.

I scrolled through the OP and uh...

It's a nice statement and apology but the demands of our Pharoah still have not been met. Just because Perg is no longer on the scene doesn't mean we don't see his nation sitting in the NPO.

If you truly want the NPO to get any kind of forgiveness, banjecting him is the one of the many things you can do.

(My thoughts as a citizen)