Obama's true loyalties

Durkadurkiranistan II · Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:58 pm

I question Obama's patriotism. He's not like us, and has Islamist tendencies. He grew up in Indonesia, so he probably hates America.

War Wombat · Post by **War Wombat** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:16 am

There are legitimate criticisms of the Obama administration, but these are, perhaps, not those.

Revall · Post by **Revall** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:09 pm

Most hilarious were the so called Birthers trying to prove he wasn't really born in the US proper and thus not technically eligible to be prez while you know he continued to be prez. . .

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:17 pm

Revall wrote:Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:09 pmMost hilarious were the so called Birthers trying to prove he wasn't really born in the US proper and thus not technically eligible to be prez while you know he continued to be prez. . .

Thats what I laugh most about it

But I find it kind of offensive that people would think that he isn't loyal etc... and especially since he is the first black Pres. I get the feeling these are conspiracy theories related to racial discrimination, but hey.........i may be wrong

Zaolat · Post by **Zaolat** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:10 am

He's not the first black prez, he's the first half-black prez. I don't care if he identifies himself as a black man, that doesn't change reality. He didn't all of a sudden lose his whiteness and also, since there is a lot of disparity in income and poverty rates which has affected black culture in America (You know how many years ago segregation was?) and Mr. Obama grew up like a rich white man in comparison he can't relate to "Black America" and is just a face, looks good on the outside but all bullshit on the inside.

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:39 am

Zaolat wrote:Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:10 pmHe's not the first black prez, he's the first half-black prez. I don't care if he identifies himself as a black man, that doesn't change reality. He didn't all of a sudden lose his whiteness and also, since there is a lot of disparity in income and poverty rates which has affected black culture in America (You know how many years ago segregation was?) and Mr. Obama grew up like a rich white man in comparison he can't relate to "Black America" and is just a face, looks good on the outside but all bullshit on the inside.

True .... but every president isnt always perfect and I dont think hes perfect.

I bet if he did really focus on "Black America" some more, he'd get some accusations of "racial favoritism"

Oh politics, so amusing

Zaolat · Post by **Zaolat** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:50 pm

Andrew wrote:Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:39 pm
Zaolat wrote:Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:10 pmHe's not the first black prez, he's the first half-black prez. I don't care if he identifies himself as a black man, that doesn't change reality. He didn't all of a sudden lose his whiteness and also, since there is a lot of disparity in income and poverty rates which has affected black culture in America (You know how many years ago segregation was?) and Mr. Obama grew up like a rich white man in comparison he can't relate to "Black America" and is just a face, looks good on the outside but all bullshit on the inside.
True .... but every president isnt always perfect and I dont think hes perfect. I bet if he did really focus on "Black America" some more, he'd get some accusations of "racial favoritism" Oh politics, so amusing

I won't disagree, but every president is seemingly held accountable for any major thing. Good or bad.

Let's Congress decided gay marriage should be legalized Federally and the states can't self regulate it. Even though Obama would probably sign off it, liberals will claim it as a victory and religious minded conservatives will place blame on him.

Even if Obama's hand in it was little more than just a signature to sign it into law, he'll be applauded or demonized regardless.

Politics are more complicated then that, but I'd rather see him transparently attempting to make changes even if he fails.

War Wombat · Post by **War Wombat** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:05 pm

He should definitely stop this whole NSA domestic surveillance thing, and close Guantanamo in my opinion. But then, I suppose, those things were started by George W. Bush

Zaolat · Post by **Zaolat** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:55 pm

War Wombat wrote:Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:05 pmHe should definitely stop this whole NSA domestic surveillance thing, and close Guantanamo in my opinion. But then, I suppose, those things were started by George W. Bush

That's fallacious, Womburger.

I am by no means a Bush Jr supporter, but its inherently unfair to turn a blind eye and blame the predecessor. Besides we have checks and balances within government and the people.

If anything is to blame its the political institutions of government as a whole and the people who get the wool pulled over them or turn a blind eye.

One doesn't need to march the streets nor be expected to follow law and politics, but one should not turn a blind eye nor fail to educate oneself to some degree that one becomes ignorant and inept at what is happening in one's nation of residence.

Durkadurkiranistan II · Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:10 am

Revall wrote:Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:09 pmMost hilarious were the so called Birthers trying to prove he wasn't really born in the US proper and thus not technically eligible to be prez while you know he continued to be prez. . .

It's a legitimate concern. Obama has never produced an *authentic* birth certificate, and has refused to disclose his college records as well. Our cocaine abusing POTUS was probably never born in this country and was raised an Islamist.