Osiris Fraternal Order

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Lord Ravenclaw wrote:Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:43 pmMy support rests with you Jakker. You should have got the job nearly three years ago.

That would have lead to a second coup right after Gatesville's coup ended -- assuming it had ended, and the Pharaoh hadn't joined it -- but whatever you say.

Anyway, none of that is relevant to Jakker's candidacy today and he does indeed have a strong platform, so I'm sure he'll do well in this election.

Cormac wrote:Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:51 am

Lord Ravenclaw wrote:Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:43 pmMy support rests with you Jakker. You should have got the job nearly three years ago.

That would have lead to a second coup right after Gatesville's coup ended -- assuming it had ended, and the Pharaoh hadn't joined it -- but whatever you say.

Anyway, none of that is relevant to Jakker's candidacy today and he does indeed have a strong platform, so I'm sure he'll do well in this election.

I don't think people realize how much worse off Osiris turned out in regards to couping because I did not become pharaoh

A Jakker coup, had it happened then would not have lasted long, nor would it have been that destructive - we had the treaty with TNP then, and Asta. Plus at the time COE was Speaker of TNP's RA and/or a member of their cabinet - COE also being the same person who sits on the Council of Hawks - we wouldn't have had to alter our Foreign Policy to pro-imperialist two years as a result of needing help getting out of that situation.

That said, I still stand firm in the belief that a coup wouldn't have happened - it would have been completely counter productive to TBH's relationship with TNP and Europeia - the former being allied to both Osiris and Europeia at that time. Plus the PSSP was still in force, which would have meant Balder would also have been against it, which would have further spread to Europeia through their shared memberbase, and to Albion from there - which we already had positive relations with at that time through my own foreign affairs networking.

There's a lot of what ifs' and hypothetical variables I could list and think of. That said, I think a TBH coup would have been less destructive than the knock on full on schism that the GV coup awakened.

Lord Ravenclaw wrote:Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:26 pmA Jakker coup, had it happened then would not have lasted long, nor would it have been that destructive - we had the treaty with TNP then, and Asta. Plus at the time COE was Speaker of TNP's RA and/or a member of their cabinet - COE also being the same person who sits on the Council of Hawks - we wouldn't have had to alter our Foreign Policy to pro-imperialist two years as a result of needing help getting out of that situation.

That said, I still stand firm in the belief that a coup wouldn't have happened - it would have been completely counter productive to TBH's relationship with TNP and Europeia - the former being allied to both Osiris and Europeia at that time. Plus the PSSP was still in force, which would have meant Balder would also have been against it, which would have further spread to Europeia through their shared memberbase, and to Albion from there - which we already had positive relations with at that time through my own foreign affairs networking.

There's a lot of what ifs' and hypothetical variables I could list and think of. That said, I think a TBH coup would have been less destructive than the knock on full on schism that the GV coup awakened.

I don't at all agree with this assessment, and I had a longer response here that I've since reconsidered and edited out, in the interests of not derailing Jakker's campaign. I would be happy to discuss it elsewhere if you want.

What I know is that raiders at the time between my term and gatesville just wanted to take the delicacy and didn't care. In the end raiders did coup. Who is to say Jakker wouldn't have just ushered in a TBH OFO? Obviously there would be differences.

I had yet another response here, but in the interest of not further derailing the focus of Jakker's campaign and diverting the focus away from his platform, let's just drop this or talk about it elsewhere.

For the record, this ancient history from three years ago has no bearing, in my mind, on Jakker's campaign today, and I completely trust him to serve as Pharaoh. Everyone should. He's more than earned our trust. This has just been a discussion among old people who spend too much time in the past.