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Cormac wrote:Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:36 pmI'm curious why Culture is being separated from "Communal Activities," and what exactly Andrew will be doing as Scribe of Culture beyond maintaining Osiran of the Week and a festival. Those don't require a full department with its own Scribe, and I'm confident Yuno could manage those as well while managing role play.
As I've said before in my campaign thread, I want the people who will be in charge of areas requiring heavy focus to be singularly focused on what they're doing.

I can't remember which Scribe of Culture it was, but they frequently missed the Osiran of the Week and I believe Fest planned to celebrate one of the festivals and that ended up going to bust. So to prevent that, they'll be split.
Cormac wrote:Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:36 pmYou've noted that some of these nominees, like Andrew and Tomb, have served on the Hedjet and in other offices before, and listed their previous titles. But what achievements have they had during their previous service? Given they do have measurable records, I think it's worth looking at whether they were effective during their prior service and whether we can see from that prior service that they will be effective now. My recollection of their prior service is that they did indeed hold several pretty titles but were otherwise fairly inactive while their activity was concentrated primarily in other regions. Perhaps your recollection differs.
I wouldn't blame them for being extremely inactive during their terms in those positions since the region as a whole was very inactive and inactivity leads to more and more inactivity. Hopefully with an active Pharaoh like myself at the helm, they will be more active. If not, they'll be replaced.
Cormac wrote:Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:36 pmDoes it bother you that so much of your Hedjet is comprised of people who voted for you? Even when you had me as a potential nominee for Integration, five of your nominees were also your voters. Now six were your voters. Only three of your nominees didn't vote for you, and two couldn't vote. One of your nominees (Andrew) voted on the last day of the election and another (Kyorgia) switched his vote within twenty minutes of that, also on the last day, ensuring your victory by a one vote margin. Another of your nominees (Tomb) viciously attacked me in my campaign thread during the election period. Shadoke and Revall were also among your most vocal defenders and attack surrogates during the election. Yuno voted for you in the first round of voting but couldn't vote in the second round due to loss of citizenship in the interim. Looks like political patronage.
You aren't baiting me and I'm glad you've kept your tone civil and the discussion frank, it's something I appreciate.

I really don't care how a person voted, when they voted, for what reasons they chose to vote, or if they could even vote. I picked people who I believed could do the jobs I wanted for them and can work with me well enough to help Osiris.

Tomb's actions were his alone and I did not ask him to ask you the questions he asked you, you yourself even thanked him for being frank. Shadoke and Revall probably don't take well with people slandering me, which led to them defending me, you should ask them. When the second round started, I decided that I would not ask people to change their votes and I would not react to the misinformation being spread about me, I have no control of others who chose to react.
Cormac wrote:Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:36 pmIs there something wrong with people who didn't vote for you -- nearly half the community -- that so few of them are nominated to your Hedjet? Do they give off a funny odor some of us have missed?
Of the people who didn't vote for me, I offered two Hedjet positions, and most of the rest I do not know at all, so I could not properly and accurately gauge their abilities to serve in my Hedjet. Tim is also on his way to being confirmed as an Elder, and I have nominated Rogamark to the Pschent.
Revall wrote:Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:46 pm
Cormac wrote:Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:36 pm Shadoke and Revall were also among your most vocal defenders and attack surrogates during the election.
LOL, I was the 2nd choice for the position I never expected to serve in the Hedjet at all until in one of your legendary fits of rage you abruptly decided to not serve as a Scribe heck you can have it back if you are so keen on it.

Cormac adds political patronage to the list of "reasons" he *gasp* LOST an election. Should have seen it coming since you slyly started accusing him of political patronage during the election cycle itself.
None of that please, Revall.
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I've approached Festavo for the now vacant position of Justice, and he's accepted.

Before it's implied or accused, no it's not political patronage.
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The Almighty Jesus Whale wrote:Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:58 amI've approached Festavo for the now vacant position of Justice, and he's accepted.

Before it's implied or accused, no it's not political patronage.
Are you joking?
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I do not approve of Ike at all. As such will not support. Should he be confirmed, I hope he can turn around my current opinion.
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Zaolat wrote:Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:08 amI do not approve of Ike at all. As such will not support. Should he be confirmed, I hope he can turn around my current opinion.
:c

Did I accidentally step on your shoes or something?
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Koth wrote:Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:24 amAdditionally, I would like to point out that you, Festavo, are actually guilty of violating one of the official board rules I have linked when you fucked with Ivo's account over a personal grudge, which is why you have more forum warnings than anyone who has EVER entered this forum, so my fellow Councilors should keep this in mind when they read this ridiculous post that only exists because Festavo holds petty grudges against people for eternity.
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Going to go out on a limb and say that Festavo is not an appropriate nominee for Scribe of Justice in light of this, as well. Had forum administration, Ivo, or literally any citizen opted to do so, they could have filed charges of Administrative Abuse, a felony, against him with the Scribe of Justice.

In fact, they still can, because the alleged offenses were committed in January of this year, and the statute of limitations on felonies is six months. So it's probably better not to nominate for Scribe of Justice an individual who could still be charged with a felony for three more months.
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I've scratched my head once or twice while looking at the list of candidates, but as it stands, I plan to vote Aye on all candidates. Cormac has a point about Festavo, but I'm inclined to support his appointment nonetheless. If I still was Scribe of Justice I don't think I'd bring criminal charges over this (though I have not reviewed all the evidence if there is any, I would most definitely conduct an investigation if any Osirans demanded it). It might be a matter of personal philosophy, I'm generally quite permissive when it comes to admin decisions, but given that Osiran admins seem to be remarkably quick to dispense warnings, among other factors, it might be wise to keep admin matters and political issues strictly separate.
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Rogamark wrote:Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:01 pmI've scratched my head once or twice while looking at the list of candidates, but as it stands, I plan to vote Aye on all candidates. Cormac has a point about Festavo, but I'm inclined to support his appointment nonetheless. If I still was Scribe of Justice I don't think I'd bring criminal charges over this (though I have not reviewed all the evidence if there is any, I would most definitely conduct an investigation if any Osirans demanded it). It might be a matter of personal philosophy, I'm generally quite permissive when it comes to admin decisions, but given that Osiran admins seem to be remarkably quick to dispense warnings, among other factors, it might be wise to keep admin matters and political issues strictly separate.
I think you would feel differently if Koth elaborated on what exactly Festavo did. It wasn't just a bad admin call anyone could have made; he deliberately screwed with Ivo's forum account using his abilities as a global moderator, because he was mad at Ivo for something that happened on Skype, if I recall correctly. Koth has all the details and can elaborate more, I'm sure.

I'm also not sure where you're getting that Osiran admins are quick to dispense warnings. Well, it depends on what you mean by warnings. Unofficial warnings to cool it? They're somewhat quick to issue those, I guess, though given how often things get heated I'm not sure they're really all that liberal in issuing even unofficial warnings. Official forum warn increases, though? That almost never happens. I think Festavo and I may be the only ones with any official forum warn increases at all, after more than two years of this forum being in use.
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Kajan also recently incurred one. There have been 4 legitimate forum warnings dispensed. 1 to Cormac and Kajan and 2 to Festavo.


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I think you would feel differently if Koth elaborated on what exactly Festavo did. It wasn't just a bad admin call anyone could have made; he deliberately screwed with Ivo's forum account using his abilities as a global moderator, because he was mad at Ivo for something that happened on Skype, if I recall correctly. Koth has all the details and can elaborate more, I'm sure.
That may be the case, that's why I said I'd conduct an inquiry, I don't have all the facts at this point. But, speaking strictly as an Osiran citizen and a Councilor of the Deshret, the last thing I want right now is anybody elaborating on anything; all I want at this point is for the general drama to die down and return to something that resembles normal business. I feel that rejecting candidates for the Hedjet, unless they're clearly and egregiously unsuitable, is not conducive to this objective. In my opinion, the best approach right now is to get a working government in place, then take it from there.
I'm also not sure where you're getting that Osiran admins are quick to dispense warnings. Well, it depends on what you mean by warnings. Unofficial warnings to cool it? They're somewhat quick to issue those, I guess, though given how often things get heated I'm not sure they're really all that liberal in issuing even unofficial warnings.
I apologize for not making myself sufficiently clear. Yes, I meant such general warnings, not the official, personal type. I have dispensed both types of warnings in other regions myself, but generally speaking I do not consider "things getting heated" a reason for admin intervention. I think I'm not overplaying when I say robust debate is one of the specialties of Osiran politics, and not every comment directed at the persona of another Osiran is, automatically and by definition, flaming. However, the decision where to draw the line rests with the admin team, not the political system, and I respect that. Which is why I'm not criticizing the warnings, but just want to keep things separately.
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