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We're far more likely to be a world power together than separately, though. Nonetheless, the goal of this joint military organization should not be about becoming a world power, really, as much as it should be about pursuing our common foreign affairs and military goals. If we pursue those successfully, which we are far more likely to do working together, growth of our forces will come naturally and we will become more powerful on the world stage.
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War Wombat wrote:Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:47 pmYes, that makes some sense. The problem, though, is that Osiris and Balder are not (unlike many members of the UIAF) primarily constructed of individuals dedicated to military gameplay, so I do not know that we would have the military activity levels/numbers necessary to be classified as a world power. That said, this treaty is a good idea, so long as the joint commander is an experienced commander.
I'm not sure there are any UIAF members who are there because they are primarily dedicated to the military side. Those kind of players usually find their way to TBR or TBH. Rather the UIAF is made up of people dedicated to the political/foreign policy/roleplay/community etc sides of things in much the same way ISRA will function in this case.

And yes, I agree with Cormac's assment. The objective should not be to just be 'a world power'. Instead this should be a tool to serve joint aims and plans of a more specific nature. Successfully done, then influence will be a natural result.
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I support this
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The problem, though, is that Osiris and Balder are not (unlike many members of the UIAF) primarily constructed of individuals dedicated to military gameplay
I'd say that was a misconception of members of UIAF regions then. Nearly all citizens of TNI, LKE and Albion are politically or community based and not at all dedicated to military gameplay. I can't possibly imagine where you would have gained the assumption that all UIAF member region citizens are militaristic individuals! <3 defender propaganda.

So in fact it is the limited military resources of each region individually which is actually the greatest parallel between UIAF and ISRA in my opinion. Many other aspects are different - most crucially neither Balder or Osiris have Founders, as we are of course GCRs. Obviously it will be a learning experience for all involved, but one with great potential for both of our regions.
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Cormac wrote:Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:36 pmWe're far more likely to be a world power together than separately, though. Nonetheless, the goal of this joint military organization should not be about becoming a world power, really, as much as it should be about pursuing our common foreign affairs and military goals. If we pursue those successfully, which we are far more likely to do working together, growth of our forces will come naturally and we will become more powerful on the world stage.
:agree: Thank you for clearing up my misconception of the issues at hand
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None of the changes have any material consequences. I have just removed some of the verbosity (my own) and standardised language such as references to "parties" and "signatories" all to the latter, reducing the length by around 50 words.

Very enthusiastic about this, and I'd like to bring it to a vote here as soon as possible now.
The Treaty of the Old Gods

Preamble

We, the Realm of Balder and the Osiris Fraternal Order, hereinafter referred to jointly as "the signatories", in the interest of continued stability and prolonged friendship hereby enter into this Treaty to ensure the safe and continuous development of our parallel states. Additionally we also hereby establish the joint Balder and Osiris Armed Forces, herein referred to as the Imperial Sovereign Realms Army (ISRA), to work together to ensure the security of our realms and to advance the cause of Imperialism where mutually beneficial to each of our Sovereign Realms.

Article I: Non-Aggression Between Signatories

i). The signatories shall recognize the constitutional governments in force at the time of ratification of this treaty, and any legally enacted successor governments, as the sole legitimate governments of their respective regions.

ii). The signatories shall not undermine one another's security, regional identity, regional government, or sovereignty through subterfuge, espionage, invasion, or any other means.

Article II: Cooperation Between Signatories

i). The signatories shall defend one another against attack, either internal or external, with all available diplomatic and military resources at the request of the other signatory.

ii). The signatories shall share any intelligence relating to the security of one another including information relating to both regional and forum security.

iii). The signatories shall cooperate in the organizing and hosting of diplomatic and cultural events.

iv). The signatories shall cooperate on military initiatives including offensive and defensive missions.

Article III: Collaboration Between Signatories

i). The signatories shall collaborate militarily, through the implementation of centrally commanded armed forces as outlined in Article IV.

ii). The signatories shall collaborate on security and intelligence matters through the appointment of a Joint Director of Intelligence by the Pharaoh of Osiris and Monarch of Balder, to work sub rosa, under relevant regional laws.

iii). The signatories shall collaborate on cultural and diplomatic matters through a monthly scheduled meeting between regional Cabinets to be hosted on a rotational basis, with the additional ability of either signatory to call an Emergency Meeting with invitees determined by the Pharaoh of Osiris and the Monarch of Balder.

iv). The signatories shall collaborate on the above when appropriate with each other's shared allies.

Article IV: The Imperial Sovereign Realms Army

i). The Balder Jomsvikings and the Sekhmet Legion of Osiris shall be commanded by the Joint Commander of ISRA.

ii). The Joint Commander shall be empowered to organise the internal structure of the ISRA as they wish, and shall direct all military actions, unless delegated to a subordinate officer.

iii). The Joint Commander shall be jointly nominated by the Pharaoh of Osiris and the Monarch of Balder. The legislative bodies of the Riksdag and the Deshret shall then each confirm the nominee according to each legislative body's procedures.

iv). The Joint Commander shall be accountable to both the Pharaoh of Osiris and the Monarch of Balder, both of whom shall be consulted on matters of direction of the ISRA. The Pharaoh of Osiris and Monarch of Balder, as Commanders-in-Chief of each of their respective Armed Forces, each retain an individual veto over appointments and operations within the ISRA made by the Joint Commander or their subordinates. The Joint Commander may be dismissed by the joint agreement of the Pharaoh of Osiris and the Monarch of Balder.

v). Osiris and Balder shall retain control of the recruitment of new members to the ISRA within their own regions, though decisions on approval of individuals may be vetoed by the Joint Commander.

vi). Upon the ratification of this treaty in Balder, the Monarch of Balder shall delegate responsibility for strategy, organisation, regulation and command of the Jomsvikings to the Joint Commander of the ISRA for the duration of this treaty's existence. This delegation shall not affect the Jomsviking's ability to undertake independent operations under alternative command arrangements.

vii). Upon the ratification of this treaty in Osiris, the Pharaoh of Osiris shall delegate responsibility for strategy, organisation, regulation and command of the Sekhmet Legion to the Joint Commander of the ISRA for the duration of this treaty's existence. This delegation shall not affect the Legion's ability to undertake independent operations under alternative command arrangements.
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Ok, any objections to NES' changes?


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I don't have any problem with it. I'm going to add it to the OP, with the original version in a spoiler.
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Looks good.
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All looks excellent to me. *nods*
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