Osiris Fraternal Order

Posted: **Thu May 05, 2016 1:52 pm**

Greetings good citizens and people of Osiris,

I am Nasania and I have made ideology quizzes for Nationstates. These two quizzes measure Independentism, Raiderism, Defenderism, and a host of other ideologies(including RL ones). The one Quiz has 81 ideologies on it and measures 4 dimensions. The other one measures a 5th dimension and if combined with the 1st quiz would infer 243 ideological combinations.

'Defenderism' might actually mean you're Anti-militarist or Pacifist. The 2nd Quiz is meant to differentiate Independentist folk from Defenderist folk.

if you want to skip a question, you can and to skip the part where it asks for personal info, just hit 'submit' and you will skip it. Anyhow be polite and enjoy the Quizzes!

Nationstates Gameplay Ideology Quiz

Independent vs Defender Quiz

Posted: **Thu May 05, 2016 6:04 pm**

I got "Opposition Defender" on the first quiz. The first paragraph is very accurate, but the next one about militarism really isn't.

Opposition Defender
46% Liberty, 46% Equality, 46% Stability and 50% Power! You believe that all the ideologies are stupid and that people should just stop talking about them, however that position also constitutes an ideology. You find the principles of Liberty, Equality, and Stability all dangerous to your well-being and find it unhealthy in other people.

You are generally opposed to militarism and would rather people settle disputes through diplomacy rather than war, but you aren't averse to defending the weak against oppressors.

On the next quiz I got "Extremist Independent/Belschaftian." I am very annoyed to be classified as "Belschaftian."

Again, the militarism part isn't accurate at all for me, so I would urge you to consider reevaluating how you're measuring that.

Extremist Independent/Belschaftian
50% Power and 91% Interests! You believe that concerns about policy should only be determined by circumstances and practical concerns. Only through careful analysis of the situation can you come up with a satisfactory solution that satisfies your interests. You are generally opposed to militarism and would rather people settle disputes through diplomacy rather than war, but you aren't averse to defending the weak against oppressors.

The RL counterpart is Pragmatism mixed with Militant Pacifism.

Posted: **Thu May 05, 2016 9:15 pm**

Cormac wrote:Thu May 05, 2016 11:04 pmI got "Opposition Defender" on the first quiz. The first paragraph is very accurate, but the next one about militarism really isn't.

On the next quiz I got "Extremist Independent/Belschaftian." I am very annoyed to be classified as "Belschaftian." Again, the militarism part isn't accurate at all for me, so I would urge you to consider reevaluating how you're measuring that.

Thanks for the input, Could you explain your military ideology then, or at least how the questions should be phrased to account for it?

I am also aware that Belschaft is a bit off(I made this test with him in mind and it measured sorta correctly, he's actually much closer to the Defender side of the Interests Dimension than I thought he would be(at 55%), so disregard the 'Belschaftian' label a little bit. The Belschaft Label extends from 0-50% on Power(and he scores like a defender on that, his difference from someone like Unibot is Idealism vs Realism) and 86%-100% on' Interests'. Independentist and Neutralist labels extend from 51-85% power with Independent being the Interests 86 and above, Raider is 86% and above on 'Power'. The Interests Dimension measures Pragmatism/Realism vs Idealism. So from what that tells me, you think of yourself as a realist and sympathize with some in the LKE but disagree with their Liberal Conservative/Monarchist ideology(since you're basically opposed to everything). You might be a little bit like Ridersyl, but he's a liberal Cosmopolitan Independent(67% on power), and doesn't really count as an extremist raiderist tbh.

As for the Power Dimension which gave you your military score of 50%, that really suggests you're an absolute centrist on the Military Dimension, favoring neither raider or defender, 1% more and it would have stuck you in Independentism category. I'll have to recalibrate that then in the final version of the test. Raiders seem to be measured quite well on it though. The Raider that matches your "Liberty-Equality-Stability" score would be Evil Wolf, who got 'True Raider'. Groucho Marx and Nietzsche would be RL counterparts though Nietzsche would have scored more towards the raider end. The Result you should have got on the quiz perhaps is Permanent Opposition then.

"Permanent Opposition

0-50% Liberty, 0-50% Equality, 0-50% Stability and 51-85% Power!

You believe that all the ideologies are stupid and that people should just stop talking bout them, however that position also constitutes an ideology You find the principles of Liberty, Equality, and Stability all dangerous to your well-being and find it unhealthy in other people.

You also believe or desire to maintain a strong military organization in aggressive preparedness for war, but think the role of the military should be in service to your other principles."

Liddell Hart of Grand Central actually got the result Permanent Opposition. Based off of your score, you'd find alot of common ground with him/her.

Posted: **Thu May 05, 2016 9:43 pm**

Nasania wrote:Fri May 06, 2016 2:15 amThanks for the input, Could you explain your military ideology then, or at least how the questions should be phrased to account for it?

My military ideology is a bit complex, in that, to be honest, I don't have one. I can adapt to a military ideology -- for example, if I'm defending or raiding, I can talk the defender or raider talk and walk the defender or raider walk. But I don't actually buy into their ideologies at all. When I personally R/D, I do whatever is fun and enjoyable for me. When I'm thinking about regional military alignment, instead of my own personal alignment, I lean toward pragmatic and flexible pursuit of regional interests (commonly referred to as independence, but I also don't buy into the somewhat dogmatic version of independence certain regions espouse).

I have no idea what to call my point of view.

Pragmatic Non-Alignment, perhaps.

Nasania wrote:Fri May 06, 2016 2:15 amSo from what that tells me, you think of yourself as a realist and sympathize with some in the LKE but disagree with their Liberal Conservative/Monarchist ideology(since you're basically opposed to everything). You might be a little bit like Ridersyl, but he's a liberal Cosmopolitan Independent(67% on power), and doesn't really count as an extremist raiderist tbh.

This sounds accurate.

Nasania wrote:Fri May 06, 2016 2:15 amAs for the Power Dimension which gave you your military score of 50%, that really suggests you're an absolute centrist on the Military Dimension, favoring neither raider or defender, 1% more and it would have stuck you in Independentism category. I'll have to recalibrate that then in the final version of the test. Raiders seem to be measured quite well on it though. The Raider that matches your "Liberty-Equality-Stability" score would be Evil Wolf, who got 'True Raider'. Groucho Marx and Nietzsche would be RL counterparts though Nietzsche would have scored more towards the raider end. The Result you should have got on the quiz perhaps is Permanent Opposition then.

"Permanent Opposition

0-50% Liberty, 0-50% Equality, 0-50% Stability and 51-85% Power!

You believe that all the ideologies are stupid and that people should just stop talking bout them, however that position also constitutes an ideology You find the principles of Liberty, Equality, and Stability all dangerous to your well-being and find it unhealthy in other people.

You also believe or desire to maintain a strong military organization in aggressive preparedness for war, but think the role of the military should be in service to your other principles."

Yes! Permanent Opposition sounds much more accurate for me than Opposition Defender.

To be honest, it doesn't surprise me that I'm a bit difficult to classify. I have always had a toe on the border of most of these ideologies, and I've danced across those borders in either direction as needed. This is, again, because I don't really buy into any of these ideologies. So, upon further reflection, I think I have to applaud you for your test being more accurate than I realized. I don't think any other similar test has ever captured how fluid my personal ideology really is, but this one seems to have nailed it.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2016 8:08 pm**

It says I'm Unibotian. I'm mildly insulted, but only mildly.

Posted: **Wed May 11, 2016 5:30 pm**

Your result for Nationstates Gameplay Ideology Test ...
Communitarian Independent
31% Liberty, 85% Equality, 54% Stability and 58% Power!

Your commitment to both equality and stability makes you a blend of the Socialist and the Conservative. This combination may seem unusual but consider the way in which both think loyalty to community takes priority over loyalty to oneself. You recognise the value of traditional culture and institutions. You hope that a combination of traditional values and social justice will protect your way of life. You are concerned that the twin forces of liberalism and cosmopolitanism promote selfishness and erode community standards.

All that being said you believe that the community must maintain a strong military to defend its interests, but also believe diplomacy would work just as well.

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2016 1:06 am**

War Wombat wrote:Wed May 11, 2016 1:08 amIt says I'm Unibotian. I'm mildly insulted, but only mildly.

Try the 2nd Quiz. It measures Pragmatism vs Idealism. I made it specifically to fix the "You're Unibot" issue that many get.

You're either like King Avalon or Belschaft from the sound of it, A pacifist Independent who is also either a Left-Libertarian or Libertarian Socialist. you might be ambivalent to Ideals vs Interests debate which is pretty much where Belschaft folks are. Belschaft and Unibot really are not all that different except when it comes to Interests vs ideals, and Unibot did take the Quiz and got the result you did. That 5th Dimension of 'Interests' is the key difference.

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2016 10:52 am**

...I reject this result. My bias of Bi-Gameplayer is intense, and I'm not a morally confused raider anymore.

http://www.helloquizzy.com/results/the- ... &fromCGI=1

Bi-Gameplayerist
83% Power and 36% Interests!

You are a Bi-gameplayer, you respect only conviction and loyalty and that it is your principles that guide your path. Circumstances are irrelevant to your considerations. It is passion and commitment that matters most to you. You might sympathize with Independents because they prize both Raiding and defending, but their disparagement and disregard of principles leaves you cold.

You also believe or desire to maintain a strong military organization in aggressive preparedness for war, but think the role of the military should be in service to your principles.

Posted: **Tue May 17, 2016 1:53 pm**

Xoriet Montresor wrote:Fri May 13, 2016 3:52 pm...I reject this result. My bias of Bi-Gameplayer is intense, and I'm not a morally confused raider anymore.

http://www.helloquizzy.com/results/the- ... &fromCGI=1

Morally Confused raider? I have Principled Raiderist, which you almost got, which isn't the same thing as "morally confused", Basically that result reads the same as Bi-Gameplayerist except it says "You believe in the right of conquest and desire a Strong Military to conquer the weak. Only Strength and Power are important."

Could you clarify how you mean? I am confused a bit right now.

If it's about the label bi-gameplayerist, I didn't know what else to call that position. They're not Raider or Defender, but they are committed to some sense of Idealism(contrast this to Pragmatists, like Cormac above or Onderkelkia of LKE, who believe that circumstances should be the driver of policy, not ideals, but agree regarding R/D).

The Francoists lean Raiderist but believe strongly in some sense of Idealism, I wouldn't call them Morally Confused. They contrast with Militant Idealist Pacifists which Defenderists tend to be(Enforced Peace). For comparison's sake: Belschaftian Independents are more Pragmatic than them, but still basically Pacifist. Zenny of TCB and Onder are more Militarist/Raiderist but lean to the pragmatist side of things. Zenny is almost a Centrist.

Do note that I make the categories sound more extreme so they can be more readily compared to other positions(and some entries I didn't even write, using Berk's description as it made the most sense). A taker's score is unique and so to figure someone out I have to look at the unique configuration of that position(like I did with Cormac).

If you take the first Quiz it will tell me what principles you believe idealism and militarism should be combined with. Your score suggests to me you are a Militant Moralist or Militant Idealist, but doesn't tell me whether you're Conservative, Socialist, Libertarian, or something else.

To tell you the Truth you're only the 2nd person who has scored Bi-Gameplayerist, most are in some other bloc. Last person was a Francoist.

Posted: **Wed May 18, 2016 10:30 am**

Nasania wrote:Tue May 17, 2016 6:53 pm
Xoriet Montresor wrote:Fri May 13, 2016 3:52 pm...I reject this result. My bias of Bi-Gameplayer is intense, and I'm not a morally confused raider anymore.

http://www.helloquizzy.com/results/the- ... &fromCGI=1
Morally Confused raider? I have Principled Raiderist, which you almost got, which isn't the same thing as "morally confused", Basically that result reads the same as Bi-Gameplayerist except it says "You believe in the right of conquest and desire a Strong Military to conquer the weak. Only Strength and Power are important."

Could you clarify how you mean? I am confused a bit right now.

If it's about the label bi-gameplayerist, I didn't know what else to call that position. They're not Raider or Defender, but they are committed to some sense of Idealism(contrast this to Pragmatists, like Cormac above or Onderkelkia of LKE, who believe that circumstances should be the driver of policy, not ideals, but agree regarding R/D).

The Francoists lean Raiderist but believe strongly in some sense of Idealism, I wouldn't call them Morally Confused. They contrast with Militant Idealist Pacifists which Defenderists tend to be(Enforced Peace). For comparison's sake: Belschaftian Independents are more Pragmatic than them, but still basically Pacifist. Zenny of TCB and Onder are more Militarist/Raiderist but lean to the pragmatist side of things. Zenny is almost a Centrist.

Do note that I make the categories sound more extreme so they can be more readily compared to other positions(and some entries I didn't even write, using Berk's description as it made the most sense). A taker's score is unique and so to figure someone out I have to look at the unique configuration of that position(like I did with Cormac).

If you take the first Quiz it will tell me what principles you believe idealism and militarism should be combined with. Your score suggests to me you are a Militant Moralist or Militant Idealist, but doesn't tell me whether you're Conservative, Socialist, Libertarian, or something else.

To tell you the Truth you're only the 2nd person who has scored Bi-Gameplayerist, most are in some other bloc. Last person was a Francoist.

Well, it probably comes from my neutral roots I suppose. I was defender in ideology, but had to practice a neutral stance politically and militarily for the sake of my region. EPSA ended up being labeled "defender" by raiders because we defended often, but the defenders were always aware of our actual stance. I used to get so many complaints when I raided.

I'm so frequently apathetic and unbiased in general to Gameplay styles that being surprised is a sort of surprise after all.

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