(Proposal) The Osiran Orders Act

[Victor Siege]

Councilors of the Deshret,

The most important issue facing Osiris at this very moment is the inactivity that has stunted our culture and caused our population to stagnate. I do not believe that any amount of reforms to the government can solve this problem, because, ultimately, an active region with a rich culture has to come from the bottom-up, rather than through top-down government edicts.

Therefore I am proposing this bill that will allow citizens to self-organize and work together to create the sort of vibrant community that we all know our region can become.

The Osiran Orders Act Section I: Establishment of Orders

1. Any citizen of the Osiris Fraternal Order may create a formally recognized Order by submitting the Order’s Charter to the Registrar.

2. The Order’s Charter must include the following information in order to be valid:
–– i. The name of the Order,
–– ii. Two founding members of the Order, both of whom must be citizens of the Osiris Fraternal Order,
–– iii. The purpose of the Order,
–– iv. Rules regarding the admission of new members into the Order,
–– v. Rules regarding the internal administration of the Order.

Section II: Lesser Orders

1. All orders shall be considered Lesser Orders until they meet the requirements of a Greater Order

Section III: Greater Orders

1. To be considered a Greater Order, and order must fulfill the following requirements;
–– i. Have at least five members
–– ii. Have a headquarter in a city

Section IV: Cities

1. Any two orders or more may jointly found a city by submitting a City Charter to the Registrar

2. The City Charter must contain the following information in order to be valid:
–– i. The name of the city
–– ii. The two founding Orders of the city
–– iii.Rules regarding the admission of new citizens into the city
–– iv. Rules regarding the headquartering of other Orders into the city
–– v. Rules regarding the administration of the city

3. Upon the creation of a city, all members of all participating Orders shall be considered citizens of the city.

4. This citizenship may be voluntarily relinquished by the citizen.

5. Upon the creation of a city, all participating Orders shall be considered headquartered in that city.

6. The headquarter shall last until dissolution by the Order or until fewer than two members of the Order are citizens of the city.

7. A city shall be dissolved when no Greater Orders are headquartered therein.

Section V: The Registrar

1. The Registrar shall be appointed by the Pharaoh, subject to confirmation by a majority vote of the Deshret

2. The Registrar shall be the primary enforcer of this act.

(Credit to Almighty Jesus Whale for his input on this act)

[Festavo]

I am all for Increased activity and all, but this seems like it would create a more complicated than it should be.

On the subject of militias in particular, we have 6 people in the sekhmet legion right now. What makes you think people would join a militia? There are not enough interested people here and, if there were, what is the point?

Correct me if I am wrong, but this bill doesn't even address what the "council" is. What is that?

I am open to ideas and I aren't open to you changing my mind on this issue. Make your case for this. Sell this to me.

[Transdavisia]

I agree with most of this with the exception of the name. 'Orders' could confuse people with the Osiris Fraternal Order itself. Heck, when I looked at the title, I thought we were establishing some new order.

[Datford-Zyvetskistaahn]

If I may ask a few questions, what organ or office would resolve disputes relating to Charters of the Orders and Cities, does the proposer suppose? Would it fall to the Orders and Cities to resolve them internally, would it fall to the Registrar, or would it fall to the Pschent? Supposing it were to fall to the Orders and Cities, would the resolution offered by them by open to appeal to the Registrar, and, if either it falls to the Registrar or the Registrar can be appealed to, would the Registrar's decision then be open to appeal to the Pschent?

Further, if I may, I would join the Scribe of Sekhmet in curiosity as to the Council (or Councils, as the bill seems to hint that there may be two, though that may simply be due to a drafting error retaining "placeholder" if both references to Councils are intended to be the Council of Greater Orders). Is this intended to be a secondary legislative organ, responsible for, perhaps, giving guidance to the Registrar or, referring to my earlier questions, a judicial one, resolving disputes relating to Charters?

[Victor Siege]

I am all for Increased activity and all, but this seems like it would create a more complicated than it should be.

On the subject of militias in particular, we have 6 people in the sekhmet legion right now. What makes you think people would join a militia? There are not enough interested people here and, if there were, what is the point?

Correct me if I am wrong, but this bill doesn't even address what the "council" is. What is that?

I am open to ideas and I aren't open to you changing my mind on this issue. Make your case for this. Sell this to me.

I admit that the bill does seem a little complicated, but I don't think it would turn out that way in action. It is essentially like the House Charter act, except orders are more flexible, they have to cooperate to establish a city, and fewer things are left to the judgement of the registrar.

A militia is not the primary function of orders, it's just a privilege afforded to larger Orders that they can chose to exercise or not exercise if they so which.

Nothing is stopping a few Osiran citizens to engaging in gameplay activity independently from the Legion. This is merely a formalization.

You are correct about the council. It's a holdover from a previous draft of the bill, where it had a ceremonial function. It will be removed.

I'm sure citizens of Osiris already work together in non-governmental environments to achieve objectives, by legitimizing and formalizing these groups, we can encourage the ones that already exist and inspire others to take action.

Thank you.

[Victor Siege]

I agree with most of this with the exception of the name. 'Orders' could confuse people with the Osiris Fraternal Order itself. Heck, when I looked at the title, I thought we were establishing some new order.

I thought it was appropriately thematic. I'm open to alternatives.

[Victor Siege]

If I may ask a few questions, what organ or office would resolve disputes relating to Charters of the Orders and Cities, does the proposer suppose? Would it fall to the Orders and Cities to resolve them internally, would it fall to the Registrar, or would it fall to the Pschent? Supposing it were to fall to the Orders and Cities, would the resolution offered by them by open to appeal to the Registrar, and, if either it falls to the Registrar or the Registrar can be appealed to, would the Registrar's decision then be open to appeal to the Pschent?

Further, if I may, I would join the Scribe of Sekhmet in curiosity as to the Council (or Councils, as the bill seems to hint that there may be two, though that may simply be due to a drafting error retaining "placeholder" if both references to Councils are intended to be the Council of Greater Orders). Is this intended to be a secondary legislative organ, responsible for, perhaps, giving guidance to the Registrar or, referring to my earlier questions, a judicial one, resolving disputes relating to Charters?

This is a really good question.

I would really prefer to see the Orders and Cities take responsibility for their own dispute resolution. The Pschent, as the state judiciary, would serve as an instrument of ultimate appeal. Sort of like how associations/corporations are legally treated in real life.

The role of the Registrar is purely clerical.

Originally I created a Council of Greater Orders because I just really wanted to have a Council of Greater Orders. I couldn't think of anything for them to do so the original draft gave them the ability to make suggestions to the Deshret. This would have been a waste of time so the idea was scrapped until there's a reason for the Council to exist.

[Victor Siege]

After an IRC conversation, I'm considering removing the Militia privilege altogether unless someone can come up with a really good way to make sure that they don't act against regional interests.

[Victor Siege]

The Pharaoh has declared that he will not sign a bill with militias in it. He doesn't want them to poach from the Legion. I don't think this is an issue as long as the Pharaoh can commandeer the militias, but it's a perfectly understandable concern and a point that I am willing to concede. Militias have been struck from the bill.

The question is now whether or not we want to maintain any distinction between greater and lesser orders now that there are no functional differences between the two.

[Plagentine]

I am not sure how this will result in anything other than having a few factions within the region which don't really do anything. How does this actually incline citizens to get involved?