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Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:44 pm
by travis
No Penalty Without Law
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Sciongrad

Description: The General Assembly,

Reaffirming its stance that "one should not be penalised for doing something that is not prohibited by law,"

Regretting, however, the lack of legal safeguards protecting individuals from criminal penalties in circumstances where no relevant law exists,

Believing that the World Assembly must act to rectify this oversight,

1. Defines "customary law" as a code of conduct that is seen as appropriate within a particular setting and is considered de facto law by relevant authorities but is not officially recognized through statute, judicial precedent, or other such guidelines with the force of law;

2. Declares that customary law shall not be considered a basis of criminal punishment when in conflict with international or statutory law, judicial precedent, or other such guidelines with the force of law;

3. Stipulates that neither member nations, nor political subdivisions thereof, may arrest, detain, prosecute, or punish by law any individual unless they have committed a crime that is specifically illegal according to international law or a relevant member nation's established statutory laws, judicial precedents, or guidelines with the force of law;

4. Permits the following exceptions to clause three, subject to limitations and guidelines recognized by extant General Assembly legislation: instances of involuntary commitment for individuals whose mental states pose a clear and present danger to the well being of themselves or others, temporary detention based on reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed or will be committed, or involuntary questioning;

5. Mandates that such established international or statutory laws, judicial precedents, or guidelines with the force of law shall define the punishable action in good faith so as to minimize ambiguity;

6. Requires member nations to ensure that all established international or statutory laws, judicial precedents, or guidelines with the force of law applicable under their jurisdiction are publicly promulgated through all means practical and necessary; member nations shall be prohibited from arresting, detaining, prosecuting, incarcerating, fining, or otherwise placing under duress individuals for violating laws that are not publicly promulgated;

7. Demands that all individuals previously convicted or currently detained in violation of any of the aforementioned principles shall be immediately freed and have their sentences nullified;

8. Clarifies that nothing in this resolution shall provide protection for those that claim ignorance of the law if the relevant law is publicly promulgated in accordance with the provisions of clause six.

Votes For: 344 (29%)

Votes Against: 845 (71%)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 21 hours

Amongst Osiris residents, voting is currently 1-2 (66% Against).

Your Regional WA Delegate, Cormac A Stark, has not voted on this resolution.
This is failing right now, because, as Mousebumples has proudly boasted, she "stomped" it early over concerns about Clause 3; specifically, that it does not allow for protective custody of abused children, quarantines or drunk tanks. This may be a minor flaw, and it certainly merits some thought among countries considering supporting this, but I'm not sure it warrants a punitive "stomp" (thus short-circuiting the "democratic" process) by Europeia.

I'm voting no, just because I don't like Human Rights resolutions.

Not my official advice, however. But if you are considering supporting it, take a pause to think over mousey's objections first.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:23 pm
by Andrew
Im against

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:30 pm
by George Rahl Mountbatten VI
Against.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:30 pm
by Cormac
Against.

4-0-0. Voting against.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:12 pm
by Applebania
For. This resolution enshrines a RL human right under International Law in the WA, and if essential human rights aren't being protected by the WA, then it's not doing its job properly.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:42 pm
by travis
travis wrote:Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:44 pmThis is failing right now, because, as Mousebumples has proudly boasted, she "stomped" it early over concerns about Clause 3; specifically, that it does not allow for protective custody of abused children, quarantines or drunk tanks. This may be a minor flaw, and it certainly merits some thought among countries considering supporting this, but I'm not sure it warrants a punitive "stomp" (thus short-circuiting the "democratic" process) by Europeia.

I'm voting no, just because I don't like Human Rights resolutions.

Not my official advice, however. But if you are considering supporting it, take a pause to think over mousey's objections first.
For what it's worth, the author has weighed on in this on the WA forums. According to him, as long as there is a law about it, persons can be detained for extra-criminal purposes, such as quarantines, protective custody, material witnesses, and drunk tanks. This sort of allays concerns raised by mousey, yet at the same time, Clause 3 does say they must have "committed a crime."

Doesn't matter to me, since I'm voting against no matter what; this is only for the edification of Osiris voters.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:45 pm
by Treize Dreizehn
Against.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:20 pm
by Cormac
Current tally: 5-1-0.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:52 pm
by Venico
Applebania wrote:Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:12 pmFor. This resolution enshrines a RL human right under International Law in the WA, and if essential human rights aren't being protected by the WA, then it's not doing its job properly.
This however is not a human right. Sometimes a government needs to detain people for reasons that haven't been codified yet or due to security reasons. Suppose you have a serial dog rapist in your nation. Dogs all across Applebania are being violated. But you have no laws defining it and it could take months to codify such a law. Your government should have the right to detain him in the mean time to preserve peace and order. People have 3 basic human rights that are universally recognized. Water, Food, and Shelter. Depriving people of those are a no no. Detaining people temporarily to resolve a security situation? That's not a human rights violation.

Against.

Ma'at Kheru: No Penalty without Law

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:42 am
by Ridersyl
Abstain.