[Discussion] Motion to Declare George Holland Persona Non Grata

Treize Dreizehn · Post by **Treize Dreizehn** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:13 am

So. I don't make this post lightly but today I came upon some information, which combined with some recent rhetoric has left me convinced that this is the best course of action for the region. To note I am referring to George Holland and any other aliases he may use.

Many of you know the basic outline of events that led to George Holland's exit from Osiris. An argument with the Pharaoh, calls for resignation, and his eventual recall. After his exit from government his ingame nation continued to garner endorsements. At the time we thought we were dealing with George Holland. It has come to my attention through George's comments in our embassy thread in TNP that he in fact gave his nation away to someone who was attempting to use it to subvert our government.

I am fully aware of the irony of my bringing this motion, but it is not entirely for those reasons. The previous sequence of events was hard on the region and threatened the fragile government we had in place at the time. Beyond that, George Holland has voiced a constant opposition to the OFO and even said he welcomed the eventual fall of the regional government.

That kind of attitude can have no place here.

So we'll have at least three days of discussion first. Let me know what you think.

Vaculatestar · Post by **Vaculatestar** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:23 am

Can we get a link to Georges comments?

Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:26 am

I think, as Treize says, this is an unfortunate, but needed, step. I would declare him PNG myself, as is within my power, but a Deshret declaration must be undone by a deshret. This is inherently a stronger statement. I supprt this movement.

For the record, his statement in TNP has been edited. It did say what Treize has alleged here. He also admitted it in #tnp as well.

Treize Dreizehn · Post by **Treize Dreizehn** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:34 am

Vaculatestar wrote:Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:23 pmCan we get a link to Georges comments?

This post: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single ... &t=7202985

Though he edited it as soon as I posted this. There are numerous folks who can attest to what it contained.

Charles Cerebella · Post by **Charles Cerebella** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:55 am

This seems a sensible move on the whole.

Vaculatestar · Post by **Vaculatestar** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:03 am

Fair enough. I fully support this move.

War Wombat · Post by **War Wombat** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:37 am

ah, well.

Post by **Koth** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:27 pm

He used to be a pretty solid friend of mine, but it's been an unfortunate ride that's got us to this point.

I support this motion.

shetef · Post by **shetef** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:13 pm

Full support from me.

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:53 pm

I do not know him well enough but from your comments and opinions, I support