Osiris Fraternal Order

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:06 am**

[Read me first]

A curious and deeply disappointing thing occurred last night in the IRC #osi channel during the update. Some members were engaged in word play, changing words around in a common sentence, which ended tragically when a senior member posted a link to a similar example, except this one was filled with a deeply offensive racial slur, the 'n' word was everywhere, multiple times, as if it were humourous. It was, literally, exactly the sort of 'joke' that a NAZI might be expected to post and when I pointed this out to the member, rather than receive a contrite, reflective and obviously necessary apology, I was asked to go and kill myself. Rather than admit what I had initially assumed to be a thoughtless mistake, something we are all capable of from time to time, the offender 'doubled down' on their position and I was informed that it was I who was rude.

This is not at all what I expected from this region and I fear something is misunderstood somewhere, so I have a few questions:

1. Is this a racist tolerant region?
2. Can I expect to see such links and posts made here in OFO?
3. Is the IRC #osi channel an informal space where such conduct is sanctioned?
4. How do others feel about racism in Osiris including #osi?
5. What, if anything, should we expect to see done about last night's event and any future such bigotry?

I feel that this is an important issue or else I wouldn't have brought it up. I recognise that this is an emotionally charged issue as well. I want to instruct everyone responding to please keep your passions in check and post with a cool head or not at all. All thoughts are welcome in this thread, abuse is not.

Yours with concern for the OFO, her future and her members,

tush

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:12 am**

That sounds pretty disappointing. Racism shouldn't be tolerated although I don't know the specifics.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:08 pm**

If you have logs of this happening it would be easier to make a judgement of the situation.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:09 pm**

This is taken out of context completely actually. I'll post logs later but Koth and I were messing around with sentences in chat and then Koth posted an image of a spam game where you replaced one of the words of the above poster's sentence. Anyways the game went awry and ended up saying the N word a bunch of times. Koth didn't discriminate or attack anyone of any sort and Tush immediately called him a NAZI. Naturally Koth didn't take kindly to that.

VeniEdit: Oh and #osi is an informal place where we joke around and harass each other. It's a lounge not a parliament floor.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:04 pm**

Spoiler

[00:33] <+Zaolat> KOTH! FIST ME!
[00:33] <@Koth> uh
[00:33] <@Koth> let'd not and say we didn't
[00:34] <+Zaolat>

[00:34] <@Koth> MINE IS THE FIST THAT SHALL PIERCE THE ANUS
[00:34] <+Mall> speaking of woods
[00:34] * Koth fists Zaolat
[00:34] <+Zaolat> WHOOP WHOOP!
[00:34] <+Mall> took my dog for a walk today and found a fawn in my backyard just chillin
[00:34] <@Venico> Did you kill it?
[00:34] <+Mall> little guy just stared at me
[00:34] <@Koth> did you fist it
[00:34] <@Venico> ^
[00:35] <+Mall> my dog didn't even see it.
[00:35] <@Venico> Hw about a little tongue?
[00:35] <@Koth> did your dog fist it
[00:35] <@Venico> How*
[00:35] <@Venico> Did your dog tongue it?
[00:35] <+Mall> Koth go for a walk in the woods and i'll find you
[00:35] <+Mall> go alone
[00:35] <@Koth> did your tongue fist it
[00:35] <+Mall> don't bring a phone
[00:35] <+Mall> or pepperspray
[00:35] <+Mall> bring ven
[00:35] <@Venico> Did your dog fist it with its tongue?
[00:35] <+Mall> i don't think you know what fist means ;_;
[00:35] <@Koth> did the backyard fawn it with it's tongue fist?
[00:36] <+Zaolat> That's called Tongue-Punching the Fart-Box, Venico.
[00:36] * Cormac is now known as Cor|Brb
[00:36] <@Venico> xD
[00:36] <@Venico> I
[00:36] <@Koth> til you can't say the alphabet correctly
[00:36] <@Venico> I'm done now
[00:36] <@Venico> And shall retreat to the OFO forums
[00:36] <@Venico> AWAAAAAAAY
[00:36] <+axis_of_evil> http://i.imgur.com/hgwy1zR.jpg this is what happened to my watchband
[00:36] <+axis_of_evil> ;w;
[00:37] <@Koth> sux
[00:37] <+tush> watches are so 20t century
[00:37] <@Koth> thank you for your hi-def picture of your fingerprints
[00:37] <@Venico> Not when you're working and don't have time to look at a phone
[00:37] <@Venico> or are taking a test
[00:38] <@Koth> or are fisting and need to take a look at the time
[00:38] <@Venico> Or are timing and need to look at your fist
[00:38] <@Koth> or are needing and fist to watch at your look
[00:39] <+axis_of_evil> also
[00:39] <+axis_of_evil> oil never comes out of your hands
[00:39] <+axis_of_evil> ;w;
[00:39] <@Venico> or are watching and look to fist at your need
[00:40] <@Koth> or are looking and watch to need at your fist
[00:40] <@Venico> or if you need a quick cock ring
[00:40] <+Xoriet> o_O
[00:40] <@Koth> https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/boa ... 013445.jpg
[00:42] <@Venico> top lel where mama hides the cookies
[00:42] <@Venico> But yeah, Saunia is a bit of a porker and has fat near her heart
[00:42] * Avakael (Mibbit@CPE-1-123-182-182.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au) Quit ( Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client )
[00:42] <@Venico> So we've been taking her to the Ridge for walks
[00:42] * Cor|Brb (~Cormac@c-76-125-205-144.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) Quit ( Ping timeout: 380 seconds )
[00:46] <+tush> WTseriousF Koth?!
[00:47] <@Koth> eh?
[00:47] * Venico looks up
[00:47] <@Venico> Hmmm?
[00:47] <+tush> your link is hella offensive
[00:47] <@Koth> are you offended
[00:47] <+tush> something a NAZI would say
[00:47] <@Venico> Ummm
[00:47] <@Koth> please kill yourself
[00:47] <@Venico> It's about a spam game gone wrong...
[00:48] <@Venico> Chillax
[00:48] <@Venico> And refrain from calling my friend a Genocide freak
[00:48] <+tush> I'm chill. I wonder at somethingn like that posted without context
[00:48] <+Zeorus> ooh, Genocide
[00:48] <+Zeorus> good band
[00:48] * axis_of_evil (~Joshua@pool-173-72-97-96.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Read error: Connection reset by peer )
[00:48] <@Koth> ven and I were messing with sentences
[00:48] <@Koth> that was the context
[00:49] <+Mall> y u nzi
[00:49] <@Venico> Because we like gassing Jews
[00:49] <@Koth> don't you know mall?
[00:50] <+Mall> speaking of gas I've never been to the eternal flame
[00:50] <@Venico> :o
[00:50] <@Venico> For serious?
[00:50] <@Koth> even thinking about a racial slur makes me a sympathizer of the world's worst mass murderers
[00:50] <@Koth> and YOU'RE offended?
[00:50] <@Venico> I took Jenah there the other day and the for the first time in like 4 years I didn't have to light it myself
[00:50] <@Venico> Also, Mall why do you think our raider cookies are so good?
[00:51] <+Xoriet> o_o
[00:51] <@Venico> A little sprinkle of ash on every one

I think that's all of the "offensive" bits.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:06 pm**

I don't really care about racism. Even though it shouldn't be in society, I don't really care. I don't find it insulting. Being black, i personally dont find it insulting but rather humorous when someone is racist to me. But i dont not account for any people in the Region that are of a different race. And I agree with you Tush and Rach. It don't belong in a respectable region as this or any for a matter of fact

But it might have been a joke as Venico said not directed at anyone. That might be ok

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:22 pm**

As channel owner and the most senior of operators, I won't tolerate someone being discriminated against or abused based on their race or their beliefs. Discussions are fine, like a religious one would be ok if it was constructed and was actually seeking to learn from each other. But discrimination and attacks based on these things aren't ok. They won't be tolerated and they haven't been tolerated.

On a side note, if you truly feel a link or a person's comments are crossing a line, log it and send them to the channel owner (me). I'll have you file a report and it'll be taken into consideration.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:55 pm**

Venico BrightAxe wrote:Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:22 pmAs channel owner and the most senior of operators, I won't tolerate someone being discriminated against or abused based on their race or their beliefs.

Does this include in their absence? Does it include groups? You appear to be defending it. Perhaps I am still misunderstanding.

Also, thank-you for providing the log. Next time I will try to remember to record it myself for everyone's ease. If I had called the member a NAZI I would want to apologise. I think the evidence clearly shows that I did not, but pointed out that it was the type of offensive post expected from one, just as I stated at the outset. My goal was and remains to warn off of such callous conduct. I assume that noone here wants to be mistaken for a racist.

I don't think this should be about assigning blame though. I think it should be about understanding acceptable conduct. If I have mistaken and this is expected behaviour, I should like to know the parameters.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:09 pm**

The mention of a racial slur doesn't immediately make someone racist. Linking to an image where the slur exists definitely doesn't make someone racist. If I linked to an Eddie Murphie stand up bit where he says "Nigger" would I then be called a racist NAZI also? There was no malicious content posted and no malicious intent by anyone involved. Koth didn't say "Wow italian people are the worst." He didn't attack anyone, any group, present or absent.

I would say you are definitely misunderstanding and don't quite know what racist means. Or how offensive it is to imply someone is a NAZI.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:18 pm**

Wow. I don't think I will go to #osi again any time soon.

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