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Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:46 pm
by Anabelle
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:08 am
On the matter of Espionage, the Criminal Code of Osiris states the following;
"Espionage" is defined as the unsanctioned disclosure by a Citizen of the Osiris Fraternal Order of confidential information relative to the interest or security of Osiris to a foreign region and/or its representative.
What, pray tell, is the "confidential information relative to the interest or security of Osiris" that Rach revealed, "to a foreign region and/or its representative" in the instance of this trial?
The alleged target of the Sekhmet Legion. If I privately ordered a strike to an officer of the Legion, as your argument suggestions, then that would imply a sense of confidentiality.
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:44 am
by JRJR_SLAYER
Anabelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:46 pm
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:08 am
On the matter of Espionage, the Criminal Code of Osiris states the following;
"Espionage" is defined as the unsanctioned disclosure by a Citizen of the Osiris Fraternal Order of confidential information relative to the interest or security of Osiris to a foreign region and/or its representative.
What, pray tell, is the "confidential information relative to the interest or security of Osiris" that Rach revealed, "to a foreign region and/or its representative" in the instance of this trial?
The alleged target of the Sekhmet Legion. If I privately ordered a strike to an officer of the Legion, as your argument suggestions, then that would imply a sense of confidentiality.
For the record, the argument of the defence does not rest on there having been an actual order issued by yourself to raid Christmas. As we have detailed previously, Rach used this as a cover, on your own authority, no less, to carry out your orders and test the group of people she was told to test, by you.
To accuse Rach of leaking this information, the Pharaoh has changed her story, and is now implying that there was
indeed a plan to raid Christmas, against the stipulations of the Treaty of the Occident, and without having followed due legal process for its revocation, or for a declaration of war against The West Pacific. Is the Pharaoh implying that by carrying out her orders to perform a test of loyalty, Rach accidentally stumbled across an actual legion target by chance? Is this what the Pharaoh is meaning to say, by changing a charge to espionage?
Alternatively, is the Pharaoh meaning to imply that Rach has "leaked" the existence of her orders from yourself, as part of the Dark Legion, to perform this sting operation? If so, the Pharaoh confirms the existence of the Dark Legion, and confirms the existence of Rach's orders to perform the test of loyalty which the defence has detailed.
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:13 am
by Anabelle
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:44 am
Anabelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:46 pm
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:08 am
On the matter of Espionage, the Criminal Code of Osiris states the following;
What, pray tell, is the "confidential information relative to the interest or security of Osiris" that Rach revealed, "to a foreign region and/or its representative" in the instance of this trial?
The alleged target of the Sekhmet Legion. If I privately ordered a strike to an officer of the Legion, as your argument suggestions, then that would imply a sense of confidentiality.
For the record, the argument of the defence does not rest on there having been an actual order issued by yourself to raid Christmas. As we have detailed previously, Rach used this as a cover, on your own authority, no less, to carry out your orders and test the group of people she was told to test, by you.
To accuse Rach of leaking this information, the Pharaoh has changed her story, and is now implying that there was
indeed a plan to raid Christmas, against the stipulations of the Treaty of the Occident, and without having followed due legal process for its revocation, or for a declaration of war against The West Pacific. Is the Pharaoh implying that by carrying out her orders to perform a test of loyalty, Rach accidentally stumbled across an actual legion target by chance? Is this what the Pharaoh is meaning to say, by changing a charge to espionage?
Alternatively, is the Pharaoh meaning to imply that Rach has "leaked" the existence of her orders from yourself, as part of the Dark Legion, to perform this sting operation? If so, the Pharaoh confirms the existence of the Dark Legion, and confirms the existence of Rach's orders to perform the test of loyalty which the defence has detailed.
I am merely providing justification for amending the charges, nothing more.
I am not implying either of these. I was making the argument that
if there was a private order made then leaking them to Ark would make grounds for espionage charge. However, you make a good point. There doesn't have to have been a direct order from me for an alleged target of the Legion to count as confidential information relative to the interest of Osiris. Even if false, the fact that she leaked information that arguably
would have counted as both confidential and relating to Osiris interest is grounds for espionage.
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:40 pm
by JRJR_SLAYER
Well, as we both agree then, there was not a private order to raid Christmas that was ever issued, and so the point is rather moot. Instead, Rach used a semi-plausible story to carry out her duty and test the loyalty of each individual involved in the case; to carry out the task she was assigned by you. As this supposed "leak" was indeed part of a sanctioned operation of the Dark Legion, and due to the nature of the operation, presented no threat whatsoever to Osiris military, and apparently acceptable diplomatic risk for Rach to have been ordered to do it in the first place, a charge of Espionage is as ridiculous as Sedition. Clearly, we have a prosecution hell bent on attempting to throw any and all charges that may stick at the defendant.
For the benefit of the court's understanding and public record on the matter of the charge of Sedition... Ana, please tell us whether the Pharaoh considers TWP to be a hostile entity, with which Osiris is at war?
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:43 pm
by Anabelle
No. Osiris is not at war with TWP and we don't consider them hostile in the least. In fact, we consider them among our closest friends.
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:28 pm
by Wymondham
As a note I agree to the amendment of the charges and the schedule is being scrapped and the phases of the trial will now change once I feel the time is appropriate
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:33 pm
by JRJR_SLAYER
Anabelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:43 pm
No. Osiris is not at war with TWP and we don't consider them hostile in the least. In fact, we consider them among our closest friends.
Why is it that the prosecution opted to initially try to charge Rachael with Sedition?
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:43 pm
by Anabelle
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:33 pm
Anabelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:43 pm
No. Osiris is not at war with TWP and we don't consider them hostile in the least. In fact, we consider them among our closest friends.
Why is it that the prosecution opted to initially try to charge Rachael with Sedition?
It was a mistake on my part.
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:39 am
by JRJR_SLAYER
Anabelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:43 pm
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:33 pm
Anabelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:43 pm
No. Osiris is not at war with TWP and we don't consider them hostile in the least. In fact, we consider them among our closest friends.
Why is it that the prosecution opted to initially try to charge Rachael with Sedition?
It was a mistake on my part.
And so we have the prosecution admitting that they have made mistakes, in their rush to charge the defendant with anything they can. This sting operation has been, at every stage, very odd, and weirdly executed. Now the prosecution has openly admitted to not even bothering to properly consider which charges should be levelled at my client. i have demonstrated above that Sedition was a nonsense charge, and that Espionage is no better. As for treason, Rach has been a faithful servant to Osiris, and done as she has been asked to do, even when those tasks were somewhat odd.
And so we do come to the supposed "Treason." Has Rach ever refused to obey the Pharaoh's will, as a government official in Osiris, at any point outside of this alleged incident?
Re: [Mock Trial] Osiris v Rachael Vytherov-Skollvaldr
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:49 am
by Anabelle
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:39 am
Anabelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:43 pm
JRJR_SLAYER wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:33 pm
Why is it that the prosecution opted to initially try to charge Rachael with Sedition?
It was a mistake on my part.
And so we have the prosecution admitting that they have made mistakes, in their rush to charge the defendant with anything they can. This sting operation has been, at every stage, very odd, and weirdly executed. Now the prosecution has openly admitted to not even bothering to properly consider which charges should be levelled at my client. i have demonstrated above that Sedition was a nonsense charge, and that Espionage is no better. As for treason, Rach has been a faithful servant to Osiris, and done as she has been asked to do, even when those tasks were somewhat odd.
And so we do come to the supposed "Treason." Has Rach ever refused to obey the Pharaoh's will, as a government official in Osiris, at any point outside of this alleged incident?
I am only human. There was no rush, in fact, it pained me to bring these charges. I wallowed in them for some days, making sure that the evidence was gathered. In my stress and my desire to make sure every i and t was dotted in the evidence gathering and the overall process, I regret that I did not make the proper charges in the first place.
It is good leadership, to recognize mistakes, own up to them and try to correct them. I did and have done so. The proper charges are now in place. I stand by Treason and Espionage.
Not to my knowledge, no. Previous to all of this I counted Rach among our most loyal citizens.