Osiris Fraternal Order

I think there are a couple of points to be made in response to a few of the concerns raised here, which are reasonable concerns I've weighed myself when considering this legislation.

Gradea wrote:Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:12 amBut if these recruits can't be bothered to signup for citizenship, how can you expect them to be active in the military?

This was my initial reaction as well, but when you think about it, there's a different way of seeing it. If we can get them involved in raiding -- which would be an improvement over not getting them involved at all -- they would be more likely to get involved in other ways, such as citizenship, after getting to know our Legionnaires who are already citizens and hearing their experiences with the rest of Osiris. This could be a new way to get people involved, and getting them directly, hands-on involved is probably going to be more effective than just encouraging them to apply for citizenship when they don't really know what to expect or if it's worth their time.

Amerion wrote:Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:56 amThis ^

I'd rather loyalty than quantity.

Going back to this, this concern did pop into my mind initially as well, but again, there's another way of seeing it. If someone gets involved in the Legion and is invested in it, aren't they more likely to be loyal to the region and government that sustains the Legion? Unlike someone who just applies for citizenship and posts once, these are people who will be actively involved in a major part of the region. It's going to encourage loyalty, and it's going to encourage them to get more involved elsewhere. Especially if we encourage them to get involved in the rest of Osiris.

Transdavisia wrote:Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:19 pmBy allowing non-citizens into government organizations (i.e. foreign affairs), this could possibly spell a risk of security.

Well, it should be kept in mind that this would allow us to include non-citizens into areas we want to include them. It wouldn't require us to do that. So, we can let them get involved in the Legion, but we don't have to let them get involved in Foreign Affairs. We can get them involved in community event planning or World Assembly matters, but we don't have to let them get involved in security and intelligence. This would allow flexibility, not throw the doors of sensitive areas open to anyone who wants to stroll in.

At the end of the day, all of this would still be subject to executive regulation. The level of access any non-citizen will have will still be subject to executive limitation. As the final authority on executive policy, I can guarantee the Council of Scribes that I will not allow the inclusion of non-citizens to jeopardize the security of Osiris. The benefit to our system of government is that I can make promises like that and we know it isn't going to change because a new Pharaoh is elected next month. We have the stability to take calculated, careful steps to include more of our residents, and even non-residents who want to participate in certain things we permit.

Having weighed the pros and cons, if the Council of Scribes and Council of Priests pass Syberis' amendment, I'm willing to assent to it. I believe it could be a positive, inclusive step that will enhance activity, and if it turns out to be problematic, I am able to shut it down. And I will.

Loyalty does not start and end with citizenship. It begins with building relationships and trust between nations and we should look at this as an opportunity not a risk. There are plenty of nations who prefer to dedicate themselves to the R/D side of gameplay rather than more civilian pursuits but are no less engaged and loyal to their home regions. It would be a mistake to turn those nations away. And who knows - the longer they're in Osiris and the more they're involved, they may become citizens one day and we should welcome them with open arms.

Those who have reservations about this amendment are doing so with Osiris's best interests at heart but I encourage them to look beyond the citizen roster at the opportunity we have to reach out to nations who are only looking to be involved in their own way.

I motion this bill to vote so we can get a result.

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