Osiris Fraternal Order

Cormac wrote:Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:41 amHonored citizenship really doesn't mean anything if it doesn't convey some privileges. We should at least keep the standing invitation to speak but not vote in the Deshret that previously came with these honors, otherwise there isn't much point in having legislated regional honors at all -- we should just leave them to the Pharaoh and repeal the Act.

Agreed. I think the argument was about the voting rights, I doubt there is any disagreement about the standing invitation to speak.

Rogamark is correct, my apologies if my post was unclear.

Cormac wrote:Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:43 am

Ridersyl wrote:Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:19 amI don't really like the idea of giving a "Crown of Osiris" to anyone that doesn't qualify as a sitting or former Pharaoh of Osiris.

The problem is this is an existing honor that has already been awarded, so if we amend or remove it now, we will be either significantly changing the meaning of an honor that some people already have, or will effectively be removing honors from some people to whom they've been awarded.

Then how about we simply change the name of the honor, instead of its qualifications?

I like my Crown!

Ridersyl wrote:Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:44 amThen how about we simply change the name of the honor, instead of its qualifications?

I don't really see the need for that, to be honest. But if someone wants to propose a better name then sure.

I believe the following changes address most of the concerns that have thus far been raised:

Section 2.2

Old Text wrote:2. Honored citizens will be granted extraordinary voting membership in the Deshret without regard for ordinary membership requirements established by the Deshret.

New Text wrote:2. Honored citizens will be granted a standing invitation to speak in the Deshret without regard for ordinary membership requirements established by the Deshret. Honored citizens will not have a vote in the Deshret unless they meet ordinary membership requirements.

Section 3.4

Old Text wrote:4. Regional honors and the honored citizenship they confer will be automatically suspended immediately upon conviction of an awardee for high crimes or felony crimes. The Deshret may reinstate regional honors and honored citizenship following completion of the sentence imposed for the crime(s) of which the awardee was convicted.

New Text wrote:4. Regional honors and the honored citizenship they confer will be automatically revoked immediately upon conviction of an awardee for high crimes or felony crimes, unless the sentence imposed by the Pschent provides for temporary suspension and reinstatement of regional honors and honored citizenship by the Deshret.

I have not changed the name of the Crown of Osiris, but I remain open to suggestions for that.

I would still like to wait to move this to vote until after the Pschent has ruled on the current case, as that may impact this legislation and require further revision.

I agree with the revisions, good stuff.

The name change suggestion was purely for cosmetic reasons, as I felt that giving a crown to anyone not masked as Pharaoh is kind of strange. In the end, though, it's not at all important. Feel free to move forward keeping the Crown of Osiris award named as it is, Cormac, when you are ready.

Thanks Syl. I guess we'll keep it for now, and if someone comes up with a better name for the award later, we can always amend the Act.

The Pschent's ruling doesn't seem to require any further revision to this, so I move for a vote.

I agree, motion to vote seconded.