(Proposal) The Osiran Orders Act

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Victor Siege wrote:Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:22 amThe question is now whether or not we want to maintain any distinction between greater and lesser orders now that there are no functional differences between the two.
I think that if the requirements for Greater Orders could be made slightly higher, and it were required that Cities must have an Order that would qualify as a Greater Order (save that it lacked a headquarters) as one of the Orders applying in order to be founded, then they could serve as a mechanism to limit the proliferation of Cities.

If I may ask another question, ought there be a limit on the number of Orders that one could be a member of, that is to say, other than a limit that Orders themselves establish (such as, if there were a Purple Order and its rules prohibited members also being members of more than two others or if the same Order were to prohibit its members from being members of the Green Order), or Cities one could be a citizen of, again, other than limits made by Cities themselves and the Orders within them? Also, ought Orders and Cities be able to impose specific prohibitions, of the kind in the example above, with the Purple Order disqualifying members of the Green Order, or only general ones, such as the example of the Purple Order prohibiting its members having more than two other memberships?

Related, though distinct, is it to be supposed that Orders may prohibit other Orders (either other Orders themselves or members of other Orders) from establishing or existing in Cities by specific (say, if the Green and Purple Orders founded a City, would they be able to prohibit the Teal Order from establishing within said City or its members from being Citizens) or general (say, if the Green and Purple Orders founded a City, would they be able to say that other Orders established would need at least three members to establish) disqualification?

EDIT: Another consideration, what is the intended fate of the extant (if relatively rarely used) Great Cities, that were (and in some cases still are) the homes of the great Houses?
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Marselesk wrote:Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:16 amI am not sure how this will result in anything other than having a few factions within the region which don't really do anything. How does this actually incline citizens to get involved?
Having this structure in place should encourage creativity and self-organization, both of which promote activity and culture. The worst case scenario is that nobody uses the Order system and everything is just as bad as it is now.
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Datford-Zyvetskistaahn wrote:Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:21 am
Victor Siege wrote:Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:22 amThe question is now whether or not we want to maintain any distinction between greater and lesser orders now that there are no functional differences between the two.
I think that if the requirements for Greater Orders could be made slightly higher, and it were required that Cities must have an Order that would qualify as a Greater Order (save that it lacked a headquarters) as one of the Orders applying in order to be founded, then they could serve as a mechanism to limit the proliferation of Cities.

If I may ask another question, ought there be a limit on the number of Orders that one could be a member of, that is to say, other than a limit that Orders themselves establish (such as, if there were a Purple Order and its rules prohibited members also being members of more than two others or if the same Order were to prohibit its members from being members of the Green Order), or Cities one could be a citizen of, again, other than limits made by Cities themselves and the Orders within them? Also, ought Orders and Cities be able to impose specific prohibitions, of the kind in the example above, with the Purple Order disqualifying members of the Green Order, or only general ones, such as the example of the Purple Order prohibiting its members having more than two other memberships?

Related, though distinct, is it to be supposed that Orders may prohibit other Orders (either other Orders themselves or members of other Orders) from establishing or existing in Cities by specific (say, if the Green and Purple Orders founded a City, would they be able to prohibit the Teal Order from establishing within said City or its members from being Citizens) or general (say, if the Green and Purple Orders founded a City, would they be able to say that other Orders established would need at least three members to establish) disqualification?

EDIT: Another consideration, what is the intended fate of the extant (if relatively rarely used) Great Cities, that were )and in some cases still are) the homes of the great Houses?
You again with the great questions.

Requiring a greater Order in every city is a great idea. I'll edit the bill tomorrow.

I want to give the Orders and cities as much latitude as possible when it comes to the content of their charters. Orders are essentially private entities, and should be allowed to open or restrict membership as they see fit. This includes both general and specific prohibitions. Overly restrictive membership requirements would have the side effect of making it more difficult for the Order to grow, which should balance things out.


The existing Great Cities arguably should have been closed when the House Charter Act was repealed, though as far as I can tell the law doesn't deal with the actual subforums at all. I'd like to see them moved to an archive for historical reference.
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Well we don't really have anything to lose here so i'd be up for supporting it. I would echo that we call them something other than orders since our government itself is an order. Though i'd want to avoid the generic classification such as clan or guild, if possible. We could call them associations or societies, or something along those lines.

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Marselesk wrote:Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:22 pmWell we don't really have anything to lose here so i'd be up for supporting it. I would echo that we call them something other than orders since our government itself is an order. Though i'd want to avoid the generic classification such as clan or guild, if possible. We could call them associations or societies, or something along those lines.
Associations or societies would be technically acceptable but those aren't consistent with the regional theme.
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There have been no further feedback and it's been open three days. I move to vote.
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Aye.


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Transdavisia wrote:Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:03 amAye.
I'm afraid we're not voting yet. If you could second my motion to vote it would help us get to the good part faster.
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I second the motion.
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I also second
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