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If there is an incumbent person and a candidate, which one wins by default if the incumbent is not running again? I think we should clarify this part or maybe i've gotten the wrong end of the stick, which is probably it.
4. In the event that only one candidate stands for an election the Deshret will hold a confidence vote for that candidate.
In a confidence vote councilors may vote Aye, or Nay on the candidate.

5. In the event that the candidate fails to obtain a majority of the vote then the office shall be declared vacant.




I think my idea would bypass that problem nicely. and not be nearly as complicated as Raven's idea.

I move to vote on mine,

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Aaron Astoria wrote:Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:48 pmI'm a little iffy on this part
the incumbent, or only candidate shall win by default.
. If there is an incumbent person and a candidate, which one wins by default if the incumbent is not running again? I think we should clarify this part or maybe i've gotten the wrong end of the stick, which is probably it.
Amended 5 to read:
5. In the event that Section 2, Clause 4 comes into effect and the second Nominations Period finishes without any other candidates, the only candidate shall win by default.

Has this clarified the situation? :)
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I second the keeper's motion
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I find it remarkably bad taste to both post a proposal, and in the same post, motion it to vote, especially in a thread dedicated to a different bill.
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Lord Ravenclaw wrote:Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:05 pm
Election Administration Act (Amendment) Preamble: An amendment to Electoral Procedure.

Section 2: Election Procedure of the Election Administration Act will be amended to include the following:

4. In the event that only one candidate stands for a vacant office, voting shall commence with the option of that candidate or Re-Open Nominations. In the event that Re-Open Nominations attains a majority, then nominations shall be re-opened for the length of time as specified in Section 2, Clause 1.

5. In the event that Section 2, Clause 4 comes into effect and the second Nominations Period finishes without any other candidates, the only candidate shall win by default.

Schedule: This shall take effect on the next cycle of elections.
Proposed changes to section 2, additions in dark green:
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Section 2: Election Procedure

1. The election period for any elected office will begin with a three day period for submission of candidacy, followed by a two day period for additional campaigning, followed by a three day period for voting. Candidates may campaign throughout an election period.

2. An election period will begin eight days before the expiration of an elected official's term or as soon as practical after an elected office is vacated. Should an election period for any reason be delayed, the incumbent official will continue to hold office until conclusion of the election period.

3. In any election, members of the Deshret may vote for one eligible candidate who has submitted candidacy or may vote abstain/present. Votes of abstain/present will count only toward participation in the vote for the purpose of retaining membership in the Deshret.

4. In the event that only one candidate stands for a vacant office, voting shall commence with the option of that candidate or Re-Open Nominations. In the event that Re-Open Nominations attains a majority, then nominations shall be re-opened for the length of time as specified in Section 2, Clause 1.

5. In the event that Section 2, Clause 4 comes into effect and the second Nominations Period finishes without any other candidates, the only candidate shall win by default.
- Just something I thought up this morning based on what Koth, Zao and Jakker mentioned. Could go a fair ways to preventing this situation in the future.
Since it appears, this thread has been hijacked. I'd like to motion to vote on the original proposal.
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I support the original proposal.
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Lord Ravenclaw wrote:Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:44 pmI find it remarkably bad taste to both post a proposal, and in the same post, motion it to vote, especially in a thread dedicated to a different bill.
I thought we were kicking around ideas to fix the problem, I had intended to put up a thread but since you beat me to it by dint of a different sleeping schedule I figured i'd put it all in here.

I like your idea but I also think it's overly complicated.
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I think my version is fairly straight forward, actually. I'm not about to give the EC more leeway to decide the events of the election when we're here because of such ambiguity in the law to begin with.

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I feel like it draws out the process more than is necessary especially considering we already have a procedure for vacant offices. which would lead to exactly what you have suggested.

Right now if an office is vacant then an election is to be held as soon as is reasonable, and the current election law basically sets the end of the vote period at the date the new term of office is supposed to begin.

so your idea duplicates whats already on the books to a degree.

It's not a bad idea, but given how much we have tried to simplify the laws around here of late I think my suggestion is the better approach.

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I'll second Ainocra's approach.
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