Osiris Fraternal Order

I don't believe any threat was made, unless a full review of relations at the beginning of a new term -- which is actually standard procedure anyway -- is now regarded as a threat.

Unless, of course, you're just looking to pounce on any justification for severance of relations with Osiris, NES. But you're too much of an Osiran patriot for that so it was silly for me to even suggest it.

North East Somerset wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:18 am

Seker wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:17 am

North East Somerset wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:14 amI agree with declaring 94 block persona non grata, a wise move.



That's like the majority of our treatied allies.

An illustrious start to the term.

I would hope our allies have some concerns about the situation, no?

Maybe they do but threatening them like this is pure stupidity.

I will have to agree with NES here in principle. It's a bit overboard, just keep it to 94 Block and Ainur itself, if diplomacy doesn't work out with the latter.

I think Tim's words are being taken for more than they are. Review of relations does not mean automatic severance, and no decisions in regard to relations with any regions that currently maintain relations with Ainur have been made.

Obviously, under no circumstances would relations with an ally be terminated without all due consideration and communication. The Osiris Fraternal Order has never taken a cavalier approach to its treaty alliances and the Pharaoh has no plans to start now.

North East Somerset wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:18 am

Seker wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:17 amI would hope our allies have some concerns about the situation, no?

Maybe they do but threatening them like this is pure stupidity.

The statement's only putting pressure on anyone that has diplomatic ties to the region harboring a forum crasher/attempted couper of Osiris, and naturally, even more pressure on that region itself. It's not threatening any of our allies.

I see no reason for the Osiris Fraternal Order to have relations with regions who harbor forum crashers, or regions who tolerate those regions.

To me this is pretty clear.

What we're doing is going out of our way here to deliberately cause tensions with regions that are treatied with Ainur - namely Europeia, TNI and Albion.

When all we really need have done is ban 94 block like everywhere else has.

North East Somerset wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:28 am

I see no reason for the Osiris Fraternal Order to have relations with regions who harbor forum crashers, or regions who tolerate those regions.

To me this is pretty clear.

What we're doing is going out of our way here to deliberately cause tensions with regions that are treatied with Ainur - namely Europeia, TNI and Albion.

When all we really need have done is ban 94 block like everywhere else has.

Like everywhere else has? Really? If that was true, this whole Ainur situation wouldn't be happening in the first place. They've done the exact opposite of ban him. They made him the commander of their forces.

Cormac wrote:Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:25 amI think Tim's words are being taken for more than they are. Review of relations does not mean automatic severance, and no decisions in regard to relations with any regions that currently maintain relations with Ainur have been made.

Obviously, under no circumstances would relations with an ally be terminated without all due consideration and communication. The Osiris Fraternal Order has never taken a cavalier approach to its treaty alliances and the Pharaoh has no plans to start now.

Except for last time when you were Pharaoh when you took a very cavalier approach to alliances and almost wrecked them all.

Professional hatchet excavator on the scene.

Unless I have vastly misread the election results, Cormac is not Tim. I suggest a wait and see approach to actually give the newly elected Pharaoh some time to explain how Osiris shall deal with regions who harbour him and let's actually give him a chance to explain his foreign policy, because this "Let's jump on him" approach isn't going to fly here.

NES, if you have an issue with the Osiris Fraternal Order pursuing an agenda against the harboring of Forum Crashers, then I welcome you to send me a Private Message and we can effectively flesh it out there in a Diplomatic Manner. I would, however, appreciate it if you would stop sniping the individuals that I have chosen to appoint to my Cabinet due to events that have happened in the past. Unlike you, I wish to focus on the future of Osiris, and its potential prosperity, rather than the mistakes that have cost us progress before. Obviously I have no intent to make blanket removals of treaties and embassies simply based on if they also have affiliation with Ainur or not. I would think that someone with your background would be used to flamboyant statements. If Ainur chooses not to remove 94 Block, I of course hope that those who might have treaties or embassies with them shall agree with us and cut relation. Will I personally think less of regions that don't? Sure. However, I still honor treaties and I still honor friendships, even if they may acquire what I see as a bit of tarnish. Obviously, the best case scenario is that Ainur chooses to remove 94 Block and everything falls into place nicely, and I hope that will happen. If not, that is their choice and the replies of the regions holding embassies and treaties with Ainur is up those regions, not to me. This statement is one of condemnation for forum destruction, a way to inform people who Ainur is habroring, as well as a call to stand against harboring the individuals that do.

That is all. This is not part of a conspiracy to cut our Europeia, TNI, and Albion treaties and embassies. There is absolutely no reason to cut relations with three of our strongest allies, and I hope there will continue to be no reason to do so.