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[Draft] Various Amendments
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:42 am
by Venico
"The Keeper should be able to break ties in Pharaoh Elections(in the runoffs only), however." - Nyeeeh not ok with this.
"The Keeper shouldn't be able to run for Pharaoh." - Why? I'd say they can't hold the position at the same time but the keeper should be able to run like anyone else.
[Draft] Various Amendments
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:37 pm
by Treize Dreizehn
For point one, I'd like to get your opinion on why. We have to have some sort of tie breaking mechanism for runoffs where all the candidates have the same number of votes.
As for point two, that's a given. You can resign as keeper at any time, which would give you eligibility for the office of Pharaoh.
[Draft] Various Amendments
Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:04 am
by Venico
You're basically hinging the entire election in one person's hands. I'd say just have another run off.
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:13 am
by Raxion
I think the first part is the reason for the second part- they would break a tie in their own favor if they were running, so they can't run- which brings me to the point that the keeper shouldn't be breaking ties in the first place. If one clause causes another clause then the first clause shouldn't be there.
Unless there's another reason why the keeper can't run.
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:29 pm
by Treize Dreizehn
The keeper shouldn't be a candidate for Pharaoh because the Keeper is the administrator of the Pharaoh election, and has a lot of power that could swing the vote one way or another(it may not seem like it, but the power is there).
As for the whole election hinging on one person, that's going to happen any time there is a one vote margin. I don't see the issue. However, if our preferred method is "Runoffs all the way down" that's fine.
[Draft] Various Amendments
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:13 pm
by Treize Dreizehn
We need to start moving on this so we can start work on the legal code. Does anyone have serious objections to this:
3.1.a: Any Councilor may issue a challenge and challenge elections will be administered by the Keeper of the Deshret, who is eligible to vote for Pharaoh only in the case of a runoff in which all candidates have an equal number of votes,
3.1.b: When a challenge election is initiated by the Deshret, a three day period for submission of candidacies will begin. Only Councilors of the Deshret who are not the Keeper are eligible candidates. The incumbent Pharaoh will not be barred from submitting a candidacy.
3.1.e: The Pharaoh and the Vizier will be allowed to submit a vote for the office of Pharaoh.
5.1.b: Only citizens of Osiris may be appointed to the Pschent.
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:54 pm
by Klaus Mikaelson
no objections
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:20 pm
by Theoden Sebastian
Can we make that 5.1.a please?
[Draft] Various Amendments
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:10 am
by Treize Dreizehn
Josh Sebastian wrote:Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:20 amCan we make that 5.1.a please?
Yeah, sure.
I move we put this...
Section 3 of the State Code of Osiris shall be amended as follows:
1. The Pharaoh may be subject to a challenge election when there has been a period exceeding three months since the last challenge election, or when there has been no challenge election since the event of the Vizier assuming the office of Pharaoh after the resignation or removal from office of the preceding Pharaoh.
(a) Any Councilor may issue a challenge and challenge elections will be administered by the Keeper of the Deshret, who is eligible to vote for Pharaoh only in the case of a runoff in which all candidates have an equal number of votes,
(b) When a challenge election is initiated by the Deshret, a three day period for submission of candidacies will begin. Only Councilors of the Deshret who are not the Keeper are eligible candidates. The incumbent Pharaoh will not be barred from submitting a candidacy.
(c) At the conclusion of this candidacy submission period, the Keeper of the Deshret will determine eligible candidates according to eligibility standards established by law and open a four day voting period for a new Pharaoh to be elected by the Deshret.
(d) No candidate will be elected Pharaoh without receiving a simple majority of votes cast. Should no candidate receive a simple majority of votes cast in the election, the two candidates with the most votes (or, in the case of a tie for most votes, those candidates) will participate in a run-off election following the same process prescribed by Section 3.1(c) of this Code.
(e) The Pharaoh and the Vizier will be allowed to submit a vote for the office of Pharaoh.
2. The Deshret will have the power to establish additional standards for challenge elections by law.
3. The incumbent Pharaoh will be charged with ensuring a speedy and safe transition of power whenever a new Pharaoh is elected.
Section 5 of the State Code of Osiris shall be amended as follows:
1. The Pschent will be the judicial council of Osiris, comprised of three Elders of the Pschent appointed by the Pharaoh with the approval of the Deshret. Elders of the Pschent will not serve as Pharaoh, Vizier, Scribe of the Hedjet, Guardian of the Atef, or Keeper of the Deshret and will not serve as junior officials for any of these offices for the duration of their service on the Pschent.
(a) Only citizens of Osiris may be appointed to the Pschent.
(b) Elders may maintain active involvement in Priesthoods of the Hedjet and may serve as Councilors of the Deshret while serving as Elders.
2. The Pschent will have the power to make and revise its own procedural rules.
3. The Pschent will have the power to nullify any law or portion of law that contradicts this Code, and to order the cessation of any government action that violates this Code or the laws of Osiris. The Pschent may only exercise this power if petitioned to do so by an affected citizen of Osiris.
4. The Pschent will have the power to hear prosecution of alleged criminal offenses by the Scribe of Justice or their deputy, to decide guilt or the lack of it, and to determine penalties for guilty parties according to the standards established by law.
5. Decisions by the Pschent amount to interpretation of the law, and those decisions and interpretation are binding on the Pschent and all government bodies and officials.
6. Unless otherwise noted by this Code, all decisions by the Pschent will be made by simple majority vote.
... to vote
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:22 am
by Charles Cerebella
Looks fine to me.
Sniped by an edit.
Seconded.