Amendment to section 2;3;a; posthumus Discussion

Ainocra · Post by **Ainocra** » Tue May 26, 2015 7:42 pm

[(a) The ministry of justice will be a mandatory executive ministry which must have a Scribe assigned to oversee it.]5

Given that we frequently have trouble staffing this job I think this bit should be stricken from the state code.

Amerion · Post by **Amerion** » Wed May 27, 2015 5:35 am

I do not support this proposed amendment. The inability to staff a well-founded (logical) position, particularly for the Ministry of Justice, does not mean the position should not exist.

Ainocra · Post by **Ainocra** » Wed May 27, 2015 8:40 am

I find that such a mandatory ministry runs counter to the powers designated to the executive

[3. The Pharaoh will have the power to appoint or remove any citizen as a senior cabinet official, styled Scribes of the Hedjet. Appointment of Scribes must be approved by the Deshret. Junior cabinet officials may be appointed at the discretion of the relevant Scribe.]3

And that having a mandatory ministry in which the Pharaoh can simply dismiss the scribe at will to be somewhat silly. Also this does nothing to take into account the reality of the situation

and in reality finding a qualified and willing candidate is nigh on impossible.

There has not been a justice minister appointed under the last several administrations, and the last one we did appoint and confirm was frankly a traitor.

In order to continue the duties of governance set forth by the State Code to the executive this line should be removed.

If you will recall we tried making several ministries mandatory a while back and it was soundly put down.

Post by **Jakker** » Wed May 27, 2015 9:05 am

I'm a little unsure how the responsibilities of the Pschent differs from that of the Justice Scribe.

"The Pschent of Osiris is the judicial court of Osiris. Elders of the Pschent are appointed by the Pharaoh and confirmed by the Deshret to hear criminal trials and to interpret the State Code and other laws of Osiris."

"The Priesthood of Seshat is the Department of Justice, responsible for prosecuting those accused of crimes against the Osiris Fraternal Order, maintaining a corps of public defenders to represent the accused, and issuing advisory opinions in response to legal questions posed by citizens."

Ainocra · Post by **Ainocra** » Wed May 27, 2015 11:10 am

The pschent is the supreme court. While the scribe oversees the department of justice.
One is staffed by lawyers the other is staffed by judges.

Post by **Festavo** » Wed May 27, 2015 11:37 am

The Scribe is basically a public attorney, yes? The Osiran version of the RL District Attorney?

Ainocra · Post by **Ainocra** » Wed May 27, 2015 12:39 pm

Essentially yes

Post by **Festavo** » Wed May 27, 2015 4:04 pm

Then it should be a position that needs to consistently be filled, yes?

Ainocra · Post by **Ainocra** » Wed May 27, 2015 4:22 pm

It's not been something we typically need. in fact until recently no case had actually gone to trial before the court.
It is my view that it makes organizing the hedjet needlessly more complicated than it should be. I see no real reason why this ministry should be singled out in the state code when others are not.

Amerion · Post by **Amerion** » Wed May 27, 2015 6:18 pm

Understood. Although, in the event that such a "DA" is necessitated by a court case, how will the case proceed without a DA? We could of course recruit one when needed but it would be in haste and it will postpone the case.