[Passed] On Proscribed Regions and Organizations

Post by **Adytus** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:50 pm

Sygian wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:45 pmSo please, explain to me how they could "burn [Osiris] to the ground" if we let them back in. I am just curious.

They could simply mess with voting, and elections for one. They could mess with the flag vote, and any other aspect of the community. They could take part in the Legion, and ruin operations. Hell, it was thought they were down voting regional dispatches for the fun of it. All this is obvious. And even if they can't "burn the place to the ground," letting them in because they simply can't outright do it does not in any way overcome what they have said.

Sygian · Post by **Sygian** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:58 pm

They could simply mess with voting, and elections for one.

This is nothing new, we saw this in the last election for Chief Vizier.

They could take part in the Legion, and ruin operations.

Not necessarily. While I do see your point, I think that there are ways around this. As far as I know, the Pharaoh/Marshal General can deny Legion membership to anyone that they want. I may be wrong, and if I am, some sort of legislation could easily fix this. So the Warden defenders could take part and contribute to the community but not join the Legion, which is just one small part of Osiris in the whole scheme of things. If they really want to take part in the Legion's raids but they can't because they are a Warden... well that shouldn't be an issue unless they just decide to fuck all and try to raid/defend at the same time.

Hell, it was thought they were down voting regional dispatches for the fun of it.

This was after we banned them from the region.

Post by **Adytus** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:01 pm

Sygian wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:58 pm
They could simply mess with voting, and elections for one.
This is nothing new, we saw this in the last election for Chief Vizier.

They could take part in the Legion, and ruin operations.
Not necessarily. While I do see your point, I think that there are ways around this. As far as I know, the Pharaoh/Marshal General can deny Legion membership to anyone that they want. I may be wrong, and if I am, some sort of legislation could easily fix this. So the Warden defenders could take part and contribute to the community but not join the Legion, which is just one small part of Osiris in the whole scheme of things. If they really want to take part in the Legion's raids but they can't because they are a Warden... well that shouldn't be an issue unless they just decide to fuck all and try to raid/defend at the same time.

Hell, it was thought they were down voting regional dispatches for the fun of it.
This was after we banned them from the region.

So you think because we unban them they will stop? You think because it's not new we should let them in? I am not going to vote for anything that volunteers our community to the terrible influence of theirs.

Post by **Wrektopia** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Are we still at war with the Grey Wardens?

Sygian · Post by **Sygian** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:06 pm

Adytus wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:01 pmSo you think because we unban them they will stop? You think because it's not new we should let them in? I am not going to vote for anything that volunteers our community to the terrible influence of theirs.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Unban them so they stop what? As far as I know, they haven't remotely even made any comments about Osiris or tried to do the things you mention such as downvoting dispatches as of late.

I'd also like to point out, that a PNG law is sort of not needed since the Pharaoh can already reject someone's application. Just realized that. Oops

Post by **Adytus** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:12 pm

Sygian wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:06 pm
Adytus wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:01 pmSo you think because we unban them they will stop? You think because it's not new we should let them in? I am not going to vote for anything that volunteers our community to the terrible influence of theirs.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Unban them so they stop what? As far as I know, they haven't remotely even made any comments about Osiris or tried to do the things you mention such as downvoting dispatches as of late.

I'd also like to point out, that a PNG law is sort of not needed since the Pharaoh can already reject someone's application. Just realized that. Oops

You just hang out with the Wardens all the time? Wardens are partly the reason I'm here. They made Lazarus terrible, the community not fun to be in. Like I said, I'm not voting for anything that doesn't keep them out until somehow some way they make an attempt to rebuild trust. I'm not throwing them a bone.

Sygian · Post by **Sygian** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:13 pm

You just hang out with the Wardens all the time?

That has nothing to do with it.

Edit: But the answer is no.

Post by **Wrektopia** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:14 pm

We still at war?

Post by **Adytus** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:15 pm

Sygian wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:13 pm
You just hang out with the Wardens all the time?
That has nothing to do with it.

Edit: But the answer is no.

Yes it does because then it makes your statement more hearsay.

Sygian · Post by **Sygian** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:57 pm

Adytus wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:15 pm
Sygian wrote:Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:13 pm
You just hang out with the Wardens all the time?
That has nothing to do with it.

Edit: But the answer is no.
Yes it does because then it makes your statement more hearsay.

I don't "hang out" with the Wardens "all the time," and I am not sure how that would not entitle me to my own opinion instead of it being just "hearsay."